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- I used to carry around
a little card in my wallet.

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Printed on it was a passage
written by

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Pulitzer Prize-winning
playwright William Saroyan.

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His words have served me as
a a kind of

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aspirational instruction

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on how I might best live
my life.

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In its few and
poignant paragraphs

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I held it as a Bible of sorts.

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Its thoughts had resonated
deeply with me

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from a young age and on
a visceral level

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and for decades.

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But it had not become so
crystal clear

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in its relevance until this past
year and half

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as I made seven trips to and
from Ukraine

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for the making of this film.

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- For those of you watching,

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Vladimir Putin has just declared

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that a special military
operation is now underway.

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- This speech by Vladimir Putin

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basically saying that this war

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is on the hands of the
Ukrainians who resist.

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Oh. I tell you what.

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I just heard a big bang.

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- And the distinct sound
of explosions

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on the horizon here in Kiev.

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- Go, go, go.

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- A democratic country has
been invaded

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by its nuclear-armed
neighbor.

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- At least three explosions
rocked the capital of Kiev.

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- We should go a little
bit faster.

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- Russia is picking off
Ukraine's military facilities

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one after another.

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- No, no, guys.

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- Okay.
- What the fuck is going on?

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- If the Russians did attack,

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they'd have a short run
to Kharkiv.

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We're driving north towards
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with Russia, which is now about

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15 or 20 minutes away.

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About half an hour beyond that
is the city of...

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- I really want to get back
over there.

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- They pulled back
logistical units

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that they could move back
to bases

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that are already close by.

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All the, like, the things that
would be essential for

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to take Kiev they've left
in place.

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- But then the counterpoint

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from the Unites States' position
is that

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they've also moved things in
what looks like

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a strategic movement towards

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- You have to spend this money
to train the troops

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on logistics on how you make
these moves.

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- I had a conversation

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with a former State
Department official,

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and he, like us,

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I don't think it's going to
happen kind of feel.

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Some of these pieces will be
edited out of the film,

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because it might be us saying,
It's not going to happen.

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- And then they fucking...
- No.

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In fact, though, it's a valuable
time capsule

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to, you know...
- With feeling.

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- Yes, we will admit it.

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But it's not going to happen.

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- Erin's hearing from the
Zelensky office.

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How do you feel about jumping on
the plane Sunday?

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- Let's say things get weird

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and they shut down airlines...
- Right.

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- Into Kiev, should we go
to Poland?

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- There's a natural kind of
avenue to get there.

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We fly in and drive in.
- Yeah.

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Is there a train?

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- I'll check on the train.
- Fuck, that was tits.

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That was really great.

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That was one of the great nights
in my life

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just being able to look out
the window

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at the distant little lights
and villages.

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- So...

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- We're gonna follow your lead,

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because we're starting
from zero.

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- Okay.

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- This project started with,

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Oh, what a cute human interest.

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This comedic actor, this nice
little guy

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has become the president
of Ukraine.

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This is going to be funny.

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I talked to Sean about it just
as a friend.

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I said, Oh, I'm doing this,
you know,

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this project on Zelensky.

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And Sean said, Oh, you know,
I've been watching

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a little bit about this guy.

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He seems, like,
really interesting.

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And I've seen Sean do this with
other things

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and people that he
finds interesting.

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- Before the quake, actor
Sean Penn

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had never been to Haiti.

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He has been there almost
full-time since January.

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- I've often been asked,

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What's a Hollywood actor doing

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by going to places
of disaster...

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- We arrived in Baghdad
this morning.

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- Of conflict...

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I cannot conceive why they would
not have shared

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the evidence of weapons of
mass destruction.

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- Remember that Sean Penn is
an arrogant

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and self-involved person.

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- You know, even his poop
doesn't stink.

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- Spending time with alleged
enemies of America

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- Two-time Oscar winner
Sean Penn...

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- Or much worse?

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- Shaking hands with El Chapo.

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Who do you think you are,
Walter Cronkite?

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- Unbelievable, you see
these celebrities...

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Do you have a savior complex?

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- Just stick to what you're
good at,

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but stay out of our politics.

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I just don't quite get why CNN
keeps having him on.

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- What really motivates you,
Sean Penn?

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The best response that I've ever

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been able to muster is that
I'm curious.

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I've been lucky in life to be
able to afford to travel.

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And weathered though it is,

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my famous face

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gets me access to places
and people

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I may otherwise not have known.

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And sometimes I feel I can
be helpful.

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This film is unusual.

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When Billy Smith and I set out
to make this film

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there'd been no recent sign of
accelerated threat

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to Ukraine by Russia.

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Most of what I knew about
President Zelensky

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was that he had too had been
an actor

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and that as president he had the
very unfortunate

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international perception

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of having an attempt at him
being puppeted

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by then US president
Donald Trump.

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- Tonight an
explosive allegation

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by a government whistleblower.

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- It details President
Trump's conversation

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with the Ukrainian president.

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- It was on that call
President Trump

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told the Ukrainian president,

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I would like you to do us
a favor.

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- Suddenly I had to do what
I do,

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listen to smart people.

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- In the early 1990s, when the
Soviet Union collapsed,

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Ukraine had on its territory

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the world's third-largest
nuclear arsenal.

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If you go back and you look

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at the George H W Bush
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and then the first year or two

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of the Clinton administration,

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a real focus was on getting rid
of those nuclear weapons.

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And the Ukrainians at the end of
the day

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were prepared to do that.

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Their one condition was, they
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nuclear weapons offer security.

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If we get rid of them, how do
you replace that?

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And we came up with something
that seemed like a good idea

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at the time.

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And it was the
Budapest Memorandum

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on Security Assurances, where
the United States,

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Britain, and Russia said,

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We will respect
your sovereignty,

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your territorial integrity,
your independence.

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And we will not use or threaten

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to use force against you.

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Russians, of course, have
violated all of that.

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- We'd originally set out to
tell the whimsical tale

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of a real-world president,

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who had been a comedy superstar

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in a series about a rural
history teacher

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who becomes a president

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only later to actually
become one.

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- Reality had mirrored fiction,

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and Zelensky had made
it difficult

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for many of us to know

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where the television president
ended and the real one began.

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- It was feeling ever
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like a movie within a movie

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within a movie.

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What would it take for Ukraine

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to be accepted into NATO?

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- NATO said, Enlargement will be
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between the alliance and the
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and no third parties.

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Well, I think it's
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Russia's gotten a de facto vote.

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I think the concern here is,

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if Ukraine joins NATO on Monday,

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on Tuesday, is NATO then at war
with Russia?

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- The situation in and
around Ukraine

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remains fluid and unpredictable.

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There is no certainty about
Russia's intentions.

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We see a significant

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and unusual concentration
of forces,

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which is, you know, unjustified
and unexplained.

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- And with the current
Russian buildups...

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- Yeah.
- How does that go

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for a president like Zelensky?

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- I think Zelensky is a problem
for Putin

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in the sense that he contradicts

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the Russian narrative.

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I mean, the Russian narrative
of Ukraine

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is that there's an ultra-right
neo-Nazi government

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that hates Russia and
hates Russians,

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including Ukrainians who are
ethnic Russians.

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Zelensky is a problem for that.

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He's Jewish.

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- Let's be serious.

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We're now living in the world
where...

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He made an entertainment empire
making movies,

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coming to shows all over the
post-Soviet space.

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He was a star in Russia as well.

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- The situation was changing

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and feeling more urgent

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for us as trying to tell a story
about Zelensky

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to get over there as soon
as possible

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to give Sean a feel for
the place

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before it all might go sideways.

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- We took in a bit of nightlife,

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met with some veterans of the
Crimea invasion...

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Then ultimately with a very big
and strong man

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who was posed to challenge
Zelensky for the presidency.

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- Vitali Klitschko has made
history as a boxer.

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- Vitali Klitschko retained
his share

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of the heavyweight title.

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- But he's recently left
the ring

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for a far more dangerous
arena.

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- Right now I continue my fight,

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because I see the great future
of my country.

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- There's a lot of parallels
between Ukraine

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and the United States today
politically.

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One of them is how people
define freedom.

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- Regarding Ukraine, it's
our freedom

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to be independent,

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independent to make a decision
where we go.

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Not so many people know
about Ukraine,

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because we're a very
young country.

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We just celebrate 30
years' independency.

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We was in Soviet Union,

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and somebody have an idea
to rebuild

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big Russian empire.

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- Somebody has an idea to
rebuild the Soviet Empire?

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- Yeah.
- Yeah. That's right. Okay.

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- We don't want back to USSR.

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We're fighting to
build democracy,

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to have a choice.

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To be part of modern world,
I guess, is freedom.

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But just after 2014,

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we clearly understand what
this mean,

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territorial integrity
and independency.

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People pay for that
highest price.

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- Thousands upon thousands
of demonstrators

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have taken to the streets
furious with the government

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of President Viktor Yanukovych.

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- Yanukovych reversed his
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a long-awaited trade deal with
the European Union

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in a move that favored stronger
ties with Russia.

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- I can't imagine us living in
the pre-Maidan times,

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in the country with
authoritarian rule.

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We didn't have
strong institutions

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that were pro-Ukranian.

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Our information space was merged
with Russia.

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We didn't think much about
Ukrainian identity,

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but people changed.

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- I am Ukrainian.

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We are not a Soviet Union.

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We want to be free.

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Maidan was such an
empowering moment

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for my generation.

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Like, each of us, we felt that
our voice matter,

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our persistence matters, and
that we can win.

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- Before Maidan, Ukraine was
kind of

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a gray area on the map.

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- No one understood what's
really the difference

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between Ukraine and Russia.

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We were completely, like, in
this kleptocratic state,

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like, where everyone was
stealing everything.

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And one of the goals of
this protest

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was to clean up corruption from
Ukrainian government.

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And it was so hard.

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- Fallen bodies in the streets
of Kiev.

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Protesters confronting
security services,

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who respond with
live ammunition.

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- We're hearing from
medical officials

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that possibly 100 people
have died.

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That figure is going to inflame

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an awful lot of anger.

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- Ukrainians have this
historical willingness

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to be a democratic state.

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And because it is so hard
to get,

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it becomes very precious.

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- At the ceremony, the lady who
spoke before you said

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he wanted to build Europe here.

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Is that dream one that will
be realized

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in the future of Ukraine?

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- Euromaidan gave a great push
to build our own sense

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of responsibility.

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We started to realize, it's
our country.

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We have to do something.

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- In a special session,
Ukraine's parliament

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voted to remove President
Viktor Yanukovych.

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- He fled to Russia, urging
Moscow to retaliate.

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- Annexation of Crimea was
made possible

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because of Euromaidan.

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It allowed Putin to switch on
the propaganda.

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- Shame on me having focused so
little of my attention

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on Ukraine's 2004
Orange Revolution

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or its significant leader,
Viktor Yushchenko.

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After being elected president
in 2005,

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Yushchenko became Ukraine's
first modern leader

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to stand up for Ukraine's
sovereignty

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against Russia's unrelentingly
invasive grip.

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While I, like most Americans,

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remembered little beyond
the headlines

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about the dioxin poisoning
of Yushchenko

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by Russian assets,

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this had been a sanguine moment

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in Ukraine's
sovereign evolution.

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In the ten politically corrupt
and chaotic years

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of disappointment that followed,

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the masses had maintained that
rumble of freedom calling

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until that rumble became
the river

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that burst into Maidan.

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- We were all through
eastern Ukraine,

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and we traveled down
to Mariupol.

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- Mariupol, which had been so
consistently scarred

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since 2014, would later become
the site

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of so much death
and destruction.

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Why did you decide to serve?

331
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- And you rose to position
of commander?

332
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- And you're a sniper?

333
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- It's November 2021.

334
00:20:04,159 --> 00:20:05,900
Where is general troop morale?

335
00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:29,793
- After Maidan, it was hard to
imagine myself

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anywhere else in the world,

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because Ukraine is a country in
the making.

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And, like, being a part of the
historical process

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of building a state,

340
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it's bigger than anything.

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Like, you're building
something

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that will influence life of
people for hundreds of years.

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- After Maidan, people expected

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a new political elite,
a new government

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will change the
situation dramatically,

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will fight corruption, will
change internal rules,

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and so on and so forth.

348
00:21:04,088 --> 00:21:06,352
But, unfortunately, the old
corrupted elite

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Western-related but
still corrupted

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came to power.

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- He was one of the wealthiest
people in the country

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from day one.

353
00:21:13,881 --> 00:21:16,710
- Ukrainians perceived
Poroshenko, many of them,

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as another oligarch, a rich man
going to power

355
00:21:20,366 --> 00:21:22,846
and becoming even more rich man.

356
00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:34,336
- There's a saying here,

357
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which may sound bad,

358
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but as long as
there's corruption,

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you can count on justice.

360
00:21:40,386 --> 00:21:42,518
- This kind of idea
of Ukrainians,

361
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that there are oligarchs who
privatized the country,

362
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and they put the
private interests

363
00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:50,134
over the public interests.

364
00:21:50,178 --> 00:21:52,746
So Zelensky was playing on this,

365
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:55,052
that, I will come, and I will
break this system.

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00:21:58,317 --> 00:21:59,840
- His political life began

367
00:21:59,883 --> 00:22:03,278
with that really incredible coup
on New Year's Eve.

368
00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:08,762
- Zelensky was, you know, ally
with Kolomoisky,

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one of the oligarchs.

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And Kolomoisky TV channel,
1+1,

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instead of address of the
president, Poroshenko,

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00:22:16,030 --> 00:22:18,337
they put address of Zelensky.

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- Zelensky has done a lot to try
to separate himself

374
00:22:25,474 --> 00:22:27,389
from Kolomoisky, but I don't get
the sense

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that he's as compromised

376
00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:31,959
as someone like
Viktor Yanukovych

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00:22:32,002 --> 00:22:35,310
or Petro Poroshenko, who are
legitimate oligarchs.

378
00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:37,399
- In Ukraine, it's not
necessarily a country

379
00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:39,227
that's black and white, it's
shades of gray.

380
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,011
- Here's a young kid, pure,

381
00:22:41,055 --> 00:22:42,448
innocent, white, fluffy
bunny rabbit

382
00:22:42,491 --> 00:22:43,884
untouched by the dirt
of politics.

383
00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:46,800
- He knows what to do.

384
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,905
- I saw his show, The Servant of
the People,

385
00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:07,603
exactly what he would do if he
was president,

386
00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:10,301
which is destroy oligarchy,
destroy corruption.

387
00:23:26,535 --> 00:23:27,841
Be careful.

388
00:23:27,884 --> 00:23:30,409
- He was one of the most
famous actor

389
00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:32,802
not just in Ukraine, of
all territory

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of the Soviet Union.

391
00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:38,678
He not be an actor who is
sitting and waiting,

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00:23:38,721 --> 00:23:40,244
what happened around him.

393
00:23:40,288 --> 00:23:42,421
He was producer.
He was director.

394
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:45,424
- Whoo-hoo!

395
00:24:11,058 --> 00:24:13,147
- The choice is very simple,
either or.

396
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:15,062
Zelensky is hope.

397
00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:17,456
- Sometimes he is not
very well-prepared.

398
00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:18,500
- He's really trying.

399
00:24:18,544 --> 00:24:20,241
It's just, like, not his role.

400
00:24:20,284 --> 00:24:22,025
- I mean, we don't know what
he thinks

401
00:24:22,069 --> 00:24:24,114
about almost anything.
- Well, indeed.

402
00:24:24,158 --> 00:24:26,160
- Test out the policies in the
TV show.

403
00:24:26,203 --> 00:24:27,683
See if they bump, you know, and
implement them.

404
00:24:27,727 --> 00:24:29,076
- Yes.

405
00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:34,298
- Zelensky came in,

406
00:24:34,342 --> 00:24:35,691
a political novice,
supposedly,

407
00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:37,606
but I think he ran an
excellent campaign.

408
00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:39,129
You know, his themes were, I'm
going to fight corruption.

409
00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:40,391
I'm going to grow the economy.

410
00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:42,306
We're going to stop the war
with Russia,

411
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:43,699
and we're going to get our
territory back.

412
00:24:51,402 --> 00:24:53,535
- We are living in the country

413
00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,537
in which all the presidents

414
00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:58,148
was from some politic elite.

415
00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:02,022
I've been not sure that it can
be possible,

416
00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:04,241
but I was sure about him.

417
00:25:04,285 --> 00:25:05,634
Absolutely.

418
00:25:09,943 --> 00:25:13,686
- A political earthquake took
place in Ukraine this weekend.

419
00:25:13,729 --> 00:25:16,906
On Sunday an electorate sick of
the status quo

420
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:19,909
voted overwhelmingly for
a political satirist.

421
00:26:03,387 --> 00:26:05,302
- We were meeting with people
every day

422
00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:07,478
while waiting for it all to
line up

423
00:26:07,522 --> 00:26:08,871
to meet with the president.

424
00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,525
Between people on the street,

425
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,135
people in bars and restaurants,

426
00:26:12,179 --> 00:26:13,833
people from all walks of life,

427
00:26:13,876 --> 00:26:15,530
I don't think we found anybody

428
00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,967
who said, This is the guy.

429
00:26:18,011 --> 00:26:19,012
Did you vote for him?

430
00:26:22,102 --> 00:26:24,278
- Were you a fan of Servant of
the People?

431
00:26:26,802 --> 00:26:29,065
- I think a lot of people who
voted for them

432
00:26:29,109 --> 00:26:30,501
were also confused,

433
00:26:30,545 --> 00:26:33,766
and they were choosing, like,
from lesser evil.

434
00:26:33,809 --> 00:26:35,115
- I didn't vote for him,

435
00:26:35,158 --> 00:26:37,073
and I was very skeptical
about him.

436
00:26:37,117 --> 00:26:39,598
He did belong to Russian world.

437
00:26:39,641 --> 00:26:43,340
He worked and made money
in Russia.

438
00:26:43,384 --> 00:26:46,300
I think that for a long time,

439
00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:50,043
he expected that he could find
some understanding.

440
00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:10,280
- Who is Zelensky to you?

441
00:27:10,324 --> 00:27:12,108
- He's the president, you know?

442
00:27:12,152 --> 00:27:16,243
I don't vote for him, because
for me,

443
00:27:16,286 --> 00:27:20,726
president in Ukraine must be
a man with the balls.

444
00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:25,731
Because when we have president
which want to speak

445
00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,037
with the Russians about
the peace,

446
00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:29,212
what the fuck, man?

447
00:27:29,256 --> 00:27:31,693
Russians don't care about peace.

448
00:27:31,737 --> 00:27:35,088
- How old were each of you when
you went to fight?

449
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:36,785
- I was 27.
- 35.

450
00:27:36,829 --> 00:27:38,265
- What led you to it?

451
00:27:38,308 --> 00:27:39,919
- My father was born in Crimea.

452
00:27:39,962 --> 00:27:42,573
My mother lived in Donetsk.

453
00:27:42,617 --> 00:27:46,752
And Crimea and Donetsk now is
occupied by Russians.

454
00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:49,319
So I don't want Russians in
my house.

455
00:27:49,363 --> 00:27:51,365
Our neighbors,
fucking neighbors.

456
00:27:51,408 --> 00:27:53,454
- Da, fucking neighbors.

457
00:27:53,497 --> 00:27:55,325
Fucking neighbors.

458
00:27:55,369 --> 00:27:56,936
- We're currently in
this situation

459
00:27:56,979 --> 00:27:59,939
where there's a major
Russian buildup.

460
00:27:59,982 --> 00:28:03,333
- We live with this for 7
1/2 years.

461
00:28:03,377 --> 00:28:07,076
We understand that they can go
to war at us.

462
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,470
So maybe for United citizens,

463
00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:11,254
it's like, you know...

464
00:28:11,298 --> 00:28:15,171
For Ukrainians, it's like, Okay,
we know, yeah.

465
00:28:15,215 --> 00:28:17,478
When your enemy is Russian,

466
00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:20,829
you must be fucking tough guy.

467
00:28:20,873 --> 00:28:23,266
And it's a time when president

468
00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:27,880
must, mm, do some
difficult decisions.

469
00:28:30,099 --> 00:28:32,449
- More now on our top
national story.

470
00:28:32,493 --> 00:28:33,929
The whistleblower

471
00:28:33,973 --> 00:28:35,452
at the center of the
impeachment inquiry

472
00:28:35,496 --> 00:28:37,367
by the House of
Representatives alleged

473
00:28:37,411 --> 00:28:40,066
that President Trump abused the
power of his office.

474
00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:41,458
- President repeatedly urged

475
00:28:41,502 --> 00:28:43,722
Ukrainian president
Volodymyr Zelensky

476
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:45,767
to investigate his
political rival.

477
00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:47,551
- Allegations of a quid pro quo,

478
00:28:47,595 --> 00:28:49,423
that US president Donald Trump

479
00:28:49,466 --> 00:28:51,468
made military aid to Ukraine

480
00:28:51,512 --> 00:28:53,296
dependent on the country digging
up dirt

481
00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:54,733
on Trump's political opponent.

482
00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,783
- It is improper for the
president of the United States

483
00:29:01,827 --> 00:29:05,047
to demand a foreign government
investigate a US citizen

484
00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:06,309
and a political opponent.

485
00:29:06,353 --> 00:29:07,746
We missed a huge opportunity

486
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:09,051
because of the Ukrainian scandal

487
00:29:09,095 --> 00:29:10,661
to work with Zelensky.

488
00:29:10,705 --> 00:29:14,274
And also, those moments
indicated to Putin

489
00:29:14,317 --> 00:29:15,666
that there was an
opportunity here.

490
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:18,582
You don't have to worry about
the US government

491
00:29:18,626 --> 00:29:19,932
coming down on you like
a hammer.

492
00:29:19,975 --> 00:29:21,934
This is a wedge issue.

493
00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:23,370
We could separate, you know,
the parties,

494
00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:24,806
the bipartisan support.

495
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,547
If we didn't have that,

496
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:29,550
maybe we could have warned off
Russia's aggression.

497
00:29:29,593 --> 00:29:32,161
- I can see you're angry with
President Trump.

498
00:29:32,205 --> 00:29:35,121
Maybe a little bit, huh?

499
00:29:35,164 --> 00:29:38,951
- A little bit?

500
00:29:38,994 --> 00:29:40,909
- Zelensky is
incredibly careful.

501
00:29:40,953 --> 00:29:43,912
And, I mean, at that point, you
can tell he understands

502
00:29:43,956 --> 00:29:46,393
that there's a huge trap here,

503
00:29:46,436 --> 00:29:48,090
and he very carefully walks
around it.

504
00:29:50,353 --> 00:29:52,616
And then in December of 2019

505
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:54,749
there's a summit meeting
in Paris.

506
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,056
President Macron of France,
Chancellor Merkel of Germany,

507
00:29:57,099 --> 00:29:58,927
they're there with Putin
and Zelensky,

508
00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:02,061
tried to mediate a solution to
the conflict in Donbas.

509
00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:10,896
- I think Putin kind of thought

510
00:30:10,939 --> 00:30:12,593
he could play Zelensky,

511
00:30:12,636 --> 00:30:14,334
but he challenged Putin in a way
that I think

512
00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:15,901
Putin was kind of
surprised about.

513
00:30:54,765 --> 00:30:56,071
- How does this play out now?

514
00:30:56,115 --> 00:30:59,509
- Now we have the same Putin,

515
00:30:59,553 --> 00:31:01,729
but we have absolutely
different Ukraine

516
00:31:01,772 --> 00:31:05,864
and absolutely different mood in
your country.

517
00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:07,387
- While Zelensky had coalesced

518
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:09,389
a new centrism in Ukraine,

519
00:31:09,432 --> 00:31:11,260
the United States had
fallen into

520
00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:14,089
a populist lap dance
of extremes.

521
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,962
We'd all been feeling the
unimaginatively toxic

522
00:31:17,005 --> 00:31:19,181
divisiveness at home,

523
00:31:19,225 --> 00:31:20,966
so to see Ukraine's vibrant,
young,

524
00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:23,446
and united democracy downrage

525
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:26,188
of Russian tyranny was chilling.

526
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:46,992
- If Putin goes
full-strength forward

527
00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:48,689
using conventional weapons,

528
00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:50,865
is Ukraine ready?

529
00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:21,303
- I want protect my country, my
mom, my family.

530
00:33:21,347 --> 00:33:25,525
To protect democracy is really
important to everyone.

531
00:33:25,568 --> 00:33:28,180
All Ukrainians, we all
is strong.

532
00:33:28,223 --> 00:33:31,922
And I know that our future is
great and big

533
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:33,446
for everyone Ukrainian.

534
00:33:59,298 --> 00:34:02,779
- In a 2005 address to the
Russian Federation

535
00:34:02,823 --> 00:34:05,347
Putin said, We are
a free nation,

536
00:34:05,391 --> 00:34:07,306
and our place in the
modern world

537
00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:09,786
will be defined only by
how successful

538
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:11,353
and strong we are.

539
00:34:11,397 --> 00:34:13,572
His statement played out
as mockery

540
00:34:13,616 --> 00:34:15,444
in the absolutely
authoritarianism

541
00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:18,056
he'd adopted in the years
that followed.

542
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:20,275
But its true embodiment
was happening

543
00:34:20,319 --> 00:34:22,234
in the sovereign Ukraine.

544
00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:25,498
And we could feel its
simmering unification.

545
00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:27,587
It was a different kind of air
I was breathing.

546
00:35:47,493 --> 00:35:48,624
- So fucking great.

547
00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:58,199
- There has been a dramatic and
worrying shift

548
00:35:58,243 --> 00:36:02,290
in Russia's readiness to attack
in the past 48 hours.

549
00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:04,423
Russia has now moved
rocket launchers

550
00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:09,341
and long-range artillery into
firing positions.

551
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:11,343
- Vladimir Putin, in
a dramatic escalation,

552
00:36:11,386 --> 00:36:13,432
announcing tonight he's sending
Russian troops

553
00:36:13,475 --> 00:36:15,216
into eastern Ukraine.

554
00:36:47,814 --> 00:36:48,989
- Hello.

555
00:36:49,032 --> 00:36:50,773
- Fernando, we have a camera
on you.

556
00:36:50,817 --> 00:36:52,166
- Okay.

557
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:53,515
- What was your impression

558
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:54,995
of Putin's speech the
other night?

559
00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:06,224
- But what is your
human perception

560
00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:08,617
of his state of mind?

561
00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:20,150
- Up until last night I had
some faith

562
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:24,503
that maybe there is some plan
that Putin had in his mind,

563
00:37:24,546 --> 00:37:27,070
bust just on his demeanor

564
00:37:27,114 --> 00:37:28,507
he may not be rational,

565
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:30,291
and maybe we should seriously
consider the fact

566
00:37:30,335 --> 00:37:33,163
that there's a madman in
Europe again.

567
00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:34,556
- I don't think he's an
irrational man.

568
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,949
I don't think it was
a crazy speech.

569
00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:37,516
- He challenged Ukraine's right
to exist.

570
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:41,302
- He makes all sorts of
absurd assertions,

571
00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:43,739
like, you know, Ukrainians
are attacking

572
00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:45,915
Russian soil and that sort
of thing,

573
00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:48,614
but in some ways I think the
point that he's making is that,

574
00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:52,313
You Americans behave this way
for decades already.

575
00:37:52,357 --> 00:37:55,055
And now I'm gonna behave this
way myself.

576
00:37:55,098 --> 00:37:56,622
And I think Zelensky has
a problem,

577
00:37:56,665 --> 00:37:58,188
because he's the target.

578
00:37:58,232 --> 00:37:59,581
They want a regime change here.

579
00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:07,067
- People would never support
some puppet

580
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:08,198
- No, no, no.
- No.

581
00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:09,635
- Isn't it ridiculous, though,

582
00:38:09,678 --> 00:38:12,594
that they got to this point
because of their hubris.

583
00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:14,857
Zelensky comes to power saying,

584
00:38:14,901 --> 00:38:16,511
I can make a deal.

585
00:38:16,555 --> 00:38:19,601
I'm not particularly wedded to
any ideological position.

586
00:38:19,645 --> 00:38:21,821
Language, politics, don't care
about it.

587
00:38:21,864 --> 00:38:23,126
Ukrainization, don't care
about it.

588
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:24,780
I just want peace.

589
00:38:24,824 --> 00:38:26,391
I want everybody in Ukraine to
live like what they want.

590
00:38:26,434 --> 00:38:28,262
He says, Let's have a dialogue.

591
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,655
None of it works.

592
00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:32,048
Putin says, Meh, meh, no,
no deal.

593
00:38:32,092 --> 00:38:33,223
I--you know
- You're a nationalist.

594
00:38:33,267 --> 00:38:34,442
- Yeah, You're a nationalist.

595
00:38:34,486 --> 00:38:36,575
And he keeps calling him
a Nazi Jew.

596
00:38:36,618 --> 00:38:38,881
Putin kept calling him
a nationalist so many times

597
00:38:38,925 --> 00:38:41,275
that ultimately it's like,
Okay, fine.

598
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:44,713
NATO, I'm gonna speak Ukrainian
in public all the time.

599
00:38:44,757 --> 00:38:47,412
'Cause there's nothing that the
people in the Kremlin

600
00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:50,371
are willing to do in order to
make a dialogue happen.

601
00:38:50,415 --> 00:38:52,330
- Isn't it a story of, like
Russia's policy

602
00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:53,505
against Ukraine the last
eight years?

603
00:38:53,548 --> 00:38:54,941
Every single things they've done

604
00:38:54,984 --> 00:38:56,203
has completely backfired
on them.

605
00:38:56,246 --> 00:38:57,291
- Totally.
- They thought they'd launch

606
00:38:57,335 --> 00:38:59,511
a war to split this
country apart,

607
00:38:59,554 --> 00:39:00,860
and it actually unified
the country.

608
00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:03,341
And I think in my interpretation
last night is,

609
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:04,733
this is about vengeance.

610
00:39:04,777 --> 00:39:06,431
He's angry.

611
00:39:06,474 --> 00:39:08,650
This country wants to divorce
itself from Russia forever,

612
00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:10,086
and he wants it back.

613
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:12,350
- Yeah, and there's this
ideology in Russia

614
00:39:12,393 --> 00:39:14,830
Slavic people can't have
a democracy,

615
00:39:14,874 --> 00:39:16,310
and, you know, Russians actually
believe it,

616
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:17,920
and then, if, you know, if they
have something

617
00:39:17,964 --> 00:39:20,096
that's successful here, it is an
existential threat to them.

618
00:39:46,601 --> 00:39:48,081
- We're looking at
something now,

619
00:39:48,124 --> 00:39:50,823
we're gonna have air power,
missiles, cyberattacks,

620
00:39:50,866 --> 00:39:52,302
jamming GPS.

621
00:39:52,346 --> 00:39:53,391
It's

622
00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:55,654
- If it happens like that.

623
00:39:55,697 --> 00:39:57,264
- But I think if--if

624
00:39:57,307 --> 00:39:59,440
- I think the chances are up to
10% of

625
00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:00,702
- Ooh.

626
00:40:00,746 --> 00:40:02,269
- I say, for me, it's 50/50
right now.

627
00:40:02,312 --> 00:40:05,707
- 50/50 of Kiev on fire.
- Yes.

628
00:40:05,751 --> 00:40:07,317
- I mean, I just think the
US government

629
00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:09,319
isn't worrying about these
things for nothing.

630
00:40:10,538 --> 00:40:12,932
- Have you been to Russia?

631
00:40:17,371 --> 00:40:20,200
- In 2001 Jack Nicholson and
I had a film

632
00:40:20,243 --> 00:40:24,160
at the Moscow Film Festival.

633
00:40:24,204 --> 00:40:26,511
That night has become
a deviant memory.

634
00:40:37,522 --> 00:40:39,828
- Rising tension has prompted
the United States

635
00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:43,397
to remove its personnel from the
US embassy in Ukraine.

636
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:44,790
- The US State Department

637
00:40:44,833 --> 00:40:47,140
issuing its highest level,
level 4,

638
00:40:47,183 --> 00:40:48,663
do not travel advisory.

639
00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:54,843
- It felt increasingly like
Putin's special operation

640
00:40:54,887 --> 00:40:56,454
was coming our way.

641
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:08,030
- The US is rushing more
military aid to the country,

642
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:09,728
the first shipment

643
00:41:09,771 --> 00:41:11,904
of a new $200 million
package arriving,

644
00:41:11,947 --> 00:41:13,601
including ammunition.

645
00:41:13,645 --> 00:41:16,169
- You are likely in the last
few hours

646
00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:18,911
of peace on the
European continent

647
00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:20,608
for a long time to come.

648
00:41:20,652 --> 00:41:23,437
- Vladimir Putin has
just addressed

649
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:26,179
the Russian people moments ago
announcing what Putin called

650
00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:28,529
the start of a military
special operation,

651
00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:32,228
in his words, to
demilitarize Ukraine.

652
00:41:32,272 --> 00:41:34,535
- We may be witnessing now what
is the beginning

653
00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:39,888
of the bloodiest conflict in
Europe since World War II.

654
00:41:39,932 --> 00:41:42,543
- Russian president
Vladimir Putin

655
00:41:42,587 --> 00:41:45,938
has 150,000-plus troops near
the border.

656
00:41:56,426 --> 00:41:57,732
- Russia has got forces
effectively

657
00:41:57,776 --> 00:41:59,342
surrounding Ukraine on
three sides,

658
00:41:59,386 --> 00:42:01,170
by land and sea and air.

659
00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:20,363
- We were nearing the end of our
scheduled week in Kiev

660
00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:22,714
when we got the called we'd been
waiting for.

661
00:42:22,757 --> 00:42:25,934
It was February 23, 2022,

662
00:42:25,978 --> 00:42:27,980
when our first in-person meeting

663
00:42:28,023 --> 00:42:29,416
with President Zelensky
would happen.

664
00:42:32,288 --> 00:42:33,768
We did not bring our cameras.

665
00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:36,728
I myself am suspicious of
trusts built

666
00:42:36,771 --> 00:42:38,817
on electronic communications.

667
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:40,906
I wanted the president to have
an opportunity

668
00:42:40,949 --> 00:42:43,909
of sizing me up in person before
asking him to commit

669
00:42:43,952 --> 00:42:46,520
to participate in our film.

670
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:49,175
By the end of our meeting he did
indeed commit to us

671
00:42:49,218 --> 00:42:52,613
bringing out cameras on the
following day.

672
00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:55,616
On any other day I might have
been ecstatic.

673
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:59,054
But this was not anyone's
average day on planet Earth.

674
00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:02,536
And both this warm, young
president I'd just met

675
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,712
and his nation were in

676
00:43:04,756 --> 00:43:07,019
a heart-wrenching degree
of danger.

677
00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:12,154
- Sean, I just talked to the
security guy.

678
00:43:12,198 --> 00:43:14,679
We have to leave the country in
the morning.

679
00:43:14,722 --> 00:43:17,725
Yeah, so we'll try to meet the
president tomorrow.

680
00:43:17,769 --> 00:43:19,509
- There's a big difference in
my conversation

681
00:43:19,553 --> 00:43:23,644
about leaving one day early
versus leaving tomorrow.

682
00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:26,604
I don't--I'm not prepared to
leave tomorrow.

683
00:43:31,434 --> 00:43:34,524
Who do you think you are,
Geraldo Rivera?

684
00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:46,580
- The war in Ukraine has begun.

685
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:50,497
- Three explosions rocked the
capital of Kiev this morning.

686
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:52,238
A rocket hit an
apartment building

687
00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:53,674
starting a fire.

688
00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:57,635
- When was the last time you
heard something?

689
00:43:57,678 --> 00:44:01,116
- Like, that was, like, a half
an hour ago.

690
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,336
I heard, like, the sounds
of explosions.

691
00:44:03,379 --> 00:44:04,990
- If we need them at some point,

692
00:44:05,033 --> 00:44:06,992
who's providing vests, helmets,
and all that shit?

693
00:44:07,035 --> 00:44:09,821
- Peter.
- Okay.

694
00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:12,606
- I mean, we just got a call
that there was

695
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,347
- They had two impacts in town.

696
00:44:18,873 --> 00:44:20,309
They're hitting the airport.
- No.

697
00:44:20,353 --> 00:44:22,747
- Yeah.
- Fucking A.

698
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,705
- Airspace shut down.

699
00:44:40,242 --> 00:44:42,941
- I agree.

700
00:44:46,031 --> 00:44:47,423
- What are we doing?

701
00:44:47,467 --> 00:44:49,338
- Just going over to
the InterContinental,

702
00:44:49,382 --> 00:44:50,905
find out what's going on,
because nobody here

703
00:44:50,949 --> 00:44:53,081
seems to know what's going on.

704
00:44:53,125 --> 00:44:55,431
No maps, nothing. They'll
have stuff...

705
00:44:59,871 --> 00:45:01,220
- Fuck it.

706
00:45:01,263 --> 00:45:03,004
- We're just going to go to
the InterContinental,

707
00:45:03,048 --> 00:45:04,266
that hotel right there.
- Right. Right.

708
00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,051
- To that?
- Just the hotel right there.

709
00:45:06,094 --> 00:45:07,705
- To that hotel that is on the
opposite side?

710
00:45:07,748 --> 00:45:08,662
- Yeah.

711
00:45:48,049 --> 00:45:51,009
- And it says, like, the recent
rocket attacks

712
00:45:51,052 --> 00:45:53,141
- Rocket attacks?

713
00:45:53,185 --> 00:45:56,231
I hear ya. I hear ya.

714
00:45:56,275 --> 00:45:58,581
- Here.
- Thanks.

715
00:45:58,625 --> 00:46:04,152
I just heard from
Robert O'Brien.

716
00:46:04,196 --> 00:46:05,806
He said, Get the fuck out.

717
00:46:07,112 --> 00:46:09,244
- The US did hear from
the president

718
00:46:09,288 --> 00:46:11,507
of Ukraine earlier tonight.

719
00:46:11,551 --> 00:46:13,814
He's there. He has not fled
his country.

720
00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:16,861
- He obviously is determined
to stay.

721
00:46:38,796 --> 00:46:40,710
- Your attention, please.

722
00:46:40,754 --> 00:46:43,191
There is second-level threat
in country.

723
00:46:43,235 --> 00:46:45,150
We'll leave upon you
the decision

724
00:46:45,193 --> 00:46:48,022
to leave the hotel or stay.

725
00:46:48,066 --> 00:46:51,243
We'll help to organize this at
a point in the hotel.

726
00:46:51,286 --> 00:46:54,463
In a crisis, you will get
the shelter.

727
00:46:54,507 --> 00:46:57,162
In the announcement of
this threat,

728
00:46:57,205 --> 00:46:59,599
use stairwell down to the lobby.

729
00:46:59,642 --> 00:47:01,862
Follow staff instructions.

730
00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:03,081
You will be leaded to the
shelter place.

731
00:47:03,124 --> 00:47:04,865
- The air raid sirens had
escorted us

732
00:47:04,909 --> 00:47:07,781
into the day break of the 24th.

733
00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:10,697
The modern country was suddenly
at war.

734
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:14,179
It was a sad, surreal, and
shocking day.

735
00:47:14,222 --> 00:47:16,094
But admittedly, one
also surrenders

736
00:47:16,137 --> 00:47:17,965
to some exhilaration.

737
00:47:18,009 --> 00:47:21,403
It keeps you awake when sleep is
a distant memory.

738
00:47:21,447 --> 00:47:23,666
And though completely
unexpected,

739
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:25,668
the president's office
confirmed

740
00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:29,194
that the president would still
keep our appointment.

741
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:35,069
- President Biden unleashed new
sanctions against Russia.

742
00:47:35,113 --> 00:47:37,811
- This aggression cannot
go unanswered.

743
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:41,902
America stands up to bullies.
We stand up for freedom.

744
00:47:41,946 --> 00:47:44,296
- President Biden has said again
and again

745
00:47:44,339 --> 00:47:47,473
no US troops will be involved in
this war.

746
00:47:47,516 --> 00:47:50,128
- I assumed that journalist
and quasi-journalists

747
00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:52,521
around the world would scoff,

748
00:47:52,565 --> 00:47:54,915
but there was not one cell in
my body

749
00:47:54,959 --> 00:47:57,831
willing to prepare a question
for the president,

750
00:47:57,875 --> 00:48:00,703
not on a day like this.

751
00:48:00,747 --> 00:48:02,836
I hoped the film would
be useful.

752
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,403
That's about it.

753
00:48:36,261 --> 00:48:39,090
- This is the center of
the universe

754
00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:43,094
for democracy today, right now.

755
00:49:07,857 --> 00:49:09,555
- Okay, we have ten minutes
for that.

756
00:49:28,661 --> 00:49:30,968
- We knew by that time about the
Russian commandos

757
00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:33,187
that had taken the airport.

758
00:49:33,231 --> 00:49:35,407
And that was only about 15
kilometers away.

759
00:49:37,583 --> 00:49:39,715
There was talk about how long it
would take

760
00:49:39,759 --> 00:49:43,589
for the Russians to completely
encircle Kiev.

761
00:49:43,632 --> 00:49:48,202
It was imminent.

762
00:49:59,735 --> 00:50:02,564
- Hi.

763
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:06,481
- I'm well.

764
00:51:50,019 --> 00:51:52,196
- To be here at this time, in
this country,

765
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,633
with you, with your countrymen,

766
00:51:54,676 --> 00:51:58,419
I mean, there's so much
inspiration to be had here.

767
00:52:32,453 --> 00:52:33,802
- Where does it end? I mean,
what does he want?

768
00:52:33,846 --> 00:52:36,109
What does he--what is the

769
00:53:29,075 --> 00:53:30,685
- Rosa arrange this.
- Yes. Right.

770
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:41,218
- Please don't say you were in
the bunker.

771
00:53:41,261 --> 00:53:42,610
- No.

772
00:53:42,654 --> 00:53:43,437
- You say only Office
of President.

773
00:53:43,481 --> 00:53:47,049
- Okay.

774
00:53:49,095 --> 00:53:52,751
Oh, man.

775
00:53:52,794 --> 00:53:55,406
- Right. No, we're the
good guys.

776
00:53:59,279 --> 00:54:00,193
- Yeah.

777
00:54:02,456 --> 00:54:04,371
- Yeah.

778
00:54:06,155 --> 00:54:07,896
- Yeah.

779
00:54:14,816 --> 00:54:17,341
Bye-bye.

780
00:54:22,694 --> 00:54:25,174
- Yeah.

781
00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:31,137
Who's the Zoom with?

782
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:33,618
- With Ksenia Sobchak--Russia
who's staying in Moscow.

783
00:54:33,661 --> 00:54:35,924
- Okay, but is it on TV or just
a person?

784
00:54:35,968 --> 00:54:37,578
- On TV.
- You think it's TV?

785
00:54:37,622 --> 00:54:38,623
- Yes.
- Russian TV?

786
00:54:38,666 --> 00:54:40,102
- Russian TV.
- Okay.

787
00:54:40,146 --> 00:54:42,714
All right, let me tell him.

788
00:54:58,338 --> 00:55:00,819
- Thank you for coming out to
our broadcast.

789
00:55:00,862 --> 00:55:05,214
Sean, tell us, please, where are
you, first of all?

790
00:55:05,258 --> 00:55:06,781
- I am in Kiev.

791
00:55:06,825 --> 00:55:08,957
- Why you're in Kiev?

792
00:55:09,001 --> 00:55:11,438
Were you aware of the threat

793
00:55:11,482 --> 00:55:13,310
you're facing there?

794
00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:15,747
- Well, I think all reasonable
people were considering

795
00:55:15,790 --> 00:55:17,270
all possibilities.

796
00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:20,360
- As far as I know, as far as
I understand,

797
00:55:20,404 --> 00:55:24,408
today you met with
President Zelensky.

798
00:55:24,451 --> 00:55:27,889
What were the things you
were discussing?

799
00:55:27,933 --> 00:55:31,545
- What an unimaginable
position

800
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:35,157
it is my thought that any man
or woman

801
00:55:35,201 --> 00:55:37,116
in this world could be in.

802
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,989
I believe with everything in
my heart

803
00:55:41,033 --> 00:55:42,948
that this is a man of love,

804
00:55:42,991 --> 00:55:47,822
intelligence, and courage,

805
00:55:47,866 --> 00:55:52,218
and I still believe love is
proving itself

806
00:55:52,261 --> 00:55:54,786
to be the most powerful weapon
on Earth.

807
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,922
- Protests tonight across Russia

808
00:56:00,966 --> 00:56:03,316
in more than 50 cities.

809
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,406
- How much resistance is there
to President Putin?

810
00:56:09,278 --> 00:56:10,410
- These Russians

811
00:56:10,454 --> 00:56:13,587
need to be the example of peace

812
00:56:13,631 --> 00:56:14,893
for the rest of the world.

813
00:56:14,936 --> 00:56:17,156
This is the height of
that moment

814
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,332
in my lifetime, certainly,

815
00:56:19,376 --> 00:56:23,728
and I think we can all assume,
perhaps, ever.

816
00:57:01,766 --> 00:57:03,985
Okay, any questions?
- Yes.

817
00:57:04,029 --> 00:57:05,987
Is there a weapon in the bunch?
Where is it?

818
00:58:10,399 --> 00:58:12,793
- Oh, my God.

819
00:58:31,203 --> 00:58:33,161
- Russia's brutal war on Ukraine

820
00:58:33,205 --> 00:58:34,728
begins its second day.

821
00:58:43,607 --> 00:58:44,869
- Right now, I

822
00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:46,348
we've been, like,

823
00:58:46,392 --> 00:58:50,135
for the last 12 hours, we've
been on the road

824
00:58:50,178 --> 00:58:52,616
kind of zigzagging to get to the
Polish border

825
00:58:52,659 --> 00:58:56,533
going a foot at a time in cars
on different roads,

826
00:58:56,576 --> 00:58:59,753
because they bombed out a bridge
on one,

827
00:58:59,797 --> 00:59:02,713
and it's just a lot of, you know

828
00:59:02,756 --> 00:59:04,453
but I'm completely fine.

829
00:59:04,497 --> 00:59:07,500
And we got to shoot with
the president.

830
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:09,676
Just moving.

831
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,331
- Ukrainian president
Zelensky

832
00:59:12,374 --> 00:59:13,854
remains in the capital

833
00:59:13,898 --> 00:59:15,464
despite threats from the Kremlin

834
00:59:15,508 --> 00:59:16,683
against his young family.

835
00:59:23,864 --> 00:59:27,041
- Reports emerged the Americans
had offered an evacuation,

836
00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:31,089
to which Mr Zelensky replied...

837
00:59:56,636 --> 00:59:59,247
- How many kilometers away are
we, 20?

838
00:59:59,291 --> 01:00:00,771
- About 28.

839
01:00:00,814 --> 01:00:03,904
- Hey. Yeah, so we're just going
to abandon this.

840
01:00:03,948 --> 01:00:06,472
There's no order to it.

841
01:00:08,692 --> 01:00:09,954
- Let's see if there's
a dirt road

842
01:00:09,997 --> 01:00:12,565
behind those trees.

843
01:00:34,326 --> 01:00:36,894
- All right, this is it? This is
all we're taking?

844
01:00:50,037 --> 01:00:51,560
You're going to take that
backpack and your other bag.

845
01:00:51,604 --> 01:00:52,997
- I got it.
- You need to put the backpack

846
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,433
on properly.

847
01:00:54,476 --> 01:00:55,652
- Hey. How you doing?

848
01:00:55,695 --> 01:00:56,696
- Hey. How are you?

849
01:01:00,526 --> 01:01:02,310
- It is, man. It is. It is.

850
01:01:02,354 --> 01:01:05,183
My wife's devastated.

851
01:01:05,226 --> 01:01:06,706
- It's unbelievable.
It's surreal.

852
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:08,186
- It's crazy.

853
01:01:08,229 --> 01:01:10,667
- Come on, Mick.

854
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:12,059
- Now they're just picking
up everyone.

855
01:01:12,103 --> 01:01:13,713
- Yeah.

856
01:01:13,757 --> 01:01:17,195
- I mean, it's unreal
what's happening.

857
01:01:17,238 --> 01:01:20,807
- Yeah, man. Mickey.
- Yeah?

858
01:01:24,637 --> 01:01:26,117
- All right, man.
- All right, man, cool.

859
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:34,734
- While the men of Ukraine ages
18 to 60

860
01:01:34,778 --> 01:01:36,431
were compelled to stay
in country

861
01:01:36,475 --> 01:01:38,695
and get into the fight,

862
01:01:38,738 --> 01:01:42,524
women and children dominantly
occupied these miles and miles

863
01:01:42,568 --> 01:01:46,354
of cars inching their way toward
the Polish border.

864
01:01:46,398 --> 01:01:50,619
These heroic women set off to
a different front line

865
01:01:50,663 --> 01:01:53,187
and the heartbreak of
husbands, fathers,

866
01:01:53,231 --> 01:01:55,799
brothers, sons, and businesses

867
01:01:55,842 --> 01:01:57,801
all left behind.

868
01:01:57,844 --> 01:02:00,934
They fled for their
children's safety,

869
01:02:00,978 --> 01:02:06,984
many without any certain
destination or support.

870
01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:10,204
Just three days earlier, they
were you and me.

871
01:02:13,642 --> 01:02:15,732
- War has returned to Europe.

872
01:02:15,775 --> 01:02:18,473
- Explosions and the exodus are
only the beginning.

873
01:02:22,564 --> 01:02:23,783
all: Stand with Ukraine!

874
01:02:23,827 --> 01:02:25,089
- The Russian invasion
of Ukraine

875
01:02:25,132 --> 01:02:27,134
continues to spark an outcry.

876
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:31,008
- People around the globe
are rallying

877
01:02:31,051 --> 01:02:32,879
in solidarity with Ukraine.

878
01:02:36,448 --> 01:02:37,971
- My feeling is,

879
01:02:38,015 --> 01:02:40,713
I'd rather fail, you know,
trying in my little way

880
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:45,500
to be a uniter, you know, by
going and talking to somebody

881
01:02:45,544 --> 01:02:47,676
who's already labeled me
full screen

882
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,287
the enemy of the state.

883
01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:50,810
- And finally tonight, the enemy
of the state.

884
01:02:50,854 --> 01:02:52,420
This week, actor, activist,

885
01:02:52,464 --> 01:02:54,248
and all-around very angry man

886
01:02:54,292 --> 01:02:56,685
Sean Penn takes the honors.

887
01:02:56,729 --> 01:02:59,601
You are this week's enemy of
the state.

888
01:02:59,645 --> 01:03:01,081
- I flip between Fox and CNN.

889
01:03:01,125 --> 01:03:03,040
And, like, each time, it's like,

890
01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:05,607
Sean Penn's going on 'Hannity.'

891
01:03:05,651 --> 01:03:09,786
- The least we can do to honor
what they're doing is try.

892
01:03:12,397 --> 01:03:15,226
It was important for him to get
the word out

893
01:03:15,269 --> 01:03:16,967
about what he had seen, what he
had heard,

894
01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:18,055
what he had experienced.

895
01:03:18,098 --> 01:03:19,360
- It's a pleasure.

896
01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:21,885
Thanks for everything. You've
been great.

897
01:03:27,455 --> 01:03:30,502
- If you were on this set, 99
out of 100 times,

898
01:03:30,545 --> 01:03:33,244
we probably would be in full
disagreement, right?

899
01:03:33,287 --> 01:03:34,593
- No question about that.

900
01:03:34,636 --> 01:03:36,551
I don't trust you.

901
01:03:36,595 --> 01:03:38,597
Is there a reason you didn't
trust me?

902
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,120
- Yeah, there's a lot of reasons
I don't trust you,

903
01:03:40,164 --> 01:03:42,731
but I don't think that I've
got time

904
01:03:42,775 --> 01:03:45,560
to indulge my lack of trust,

905
01:03:45,604 --> 01:03:47,475
which it becomes a petty thing

906
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:49,913
as people and babies are
being vaporized.

907
01:03:49,956 --> 01:03:52,524
- A lot of the world didn't
think that Putin would do it.

908
01:03:52,567 --> 01:03:53,873
I did think he would.

909
01:03:53,917 --> 01:03:55,222
So you get there.

910
01:03:55,266 --> 01:03:57,050
You're interviewing Zelensky at
this time.

911
01:03:57,094 --> 01:03:58,573
Did he see this coming?

912
01:03:58,617 --> 01:04:00,314
Did he believe that this
was real?

913
01:04:00,358 --> 01:04:01,707
- Yes.

914
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:04,057
He is the face of something that
you see

915
01:04:04,101 --> 01:04:07,800
in all the Ukrainians we saw and
talked to

916
01:04:07,844 --> 01:04:10,542
whether they were in uniform,
out of uniform,

917
01:04:10,585 --> 01:04:13,675
schoolteachers, even children,

918
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:16,548
this extraordinary courage
that's come up.

919
01:04:16,591 --> 01:04:20,857
It is clear to me that the
Ukrainians will win this.

920
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,728
The question is, at what cost?

921
01:04:22,771 --> 01:04:24,295
- In this buildup

922
01:04:24,338 --> 01:04:27,776
I thought NATO countries and
Western European countries

923
01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:30,605
and the US should have
been arming

924
01:04:30,649 --> 01:04:32,781
the Ukrainians for that moment.

925
01:04:32,825 --> 01:04:34,871
- This could happen
tomorrow also.

926
01:04:34,914 --> 01:04:37,264
We could get F-15s, F-16s in.

927
01:04:37,308 --> 01:04:39,223
Then they can fly those with
three weeks of training.

928
01:04:39,266 --> 01:04:41,399
They can fly the MiGs and the
Sus now.

929
01:04:41,442 --> 01:04:43,923
- Poland offered--what was it 28
or 29 MiGs.

930
01:04:43,967 --> 01:04:45,316
- Yeah.

931
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:47,927
- Every report says Joe Biden
vetoed that.

932
01:04:47,971 --> 01:04:49,189
Forget politics.

933
01:04:49,233 --> 01:04:50,843
- Not everybody says he
vetoed it.

934
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,324
- Whoever vetoed it, Ronald
Reagan had a doctrine.

935
01:04:53,367 --> 01:04:56,283
And the doctrine was in the case
of the former Soviet Union

936
01:04:56,327 --> 01:04:58,938
invading Afghanistan in
the '80s,

937
01:04:58,982 --> 01:05:01,332
he supplied Stinger missiles to
the mujahideen.

938
01:05:01,375 --> 01:05:03,334
I support that doctrine.

939
01:05:03,377 --> 01:05:05,205
I support the Trump doctrine
that,

940
01:05:05,249 --> 01:05:08,078
if you're gonna fight a war you
push buttons

941
01:05:08,121 --> 01:05:11,124
using new military weaponry
and technology,

942
01:05:11,168 --> 01:05:12,386
and you bomb the shit out of

943
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:13,648
- Okay, but I would argue...
- Hang on.

944
01:05:13,692 --> 01:05:15,128
- You've made this political,

945
01:05:15,172 --> 01:05:16,434
and now give me a chance to
respond to it.

946
01:05:16,477 --> 01:05:17,826
- Hang on. I will.

947
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:19,567
- Because I'm not talking about
anybody's doctrine

948
01:05:19,611 --> 01:05:21,874
that got us into a lot of
other crap.

949
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:24,616
- Republicans and Democrats,
they're all gung ho.

950
01:05:24,659 --> 01:05:26,183
They start these wars.

951
01:05:26,226 --> 01:05:28,011
They don't fight them to
win them.

952
01:05:28,054 --> 01:05:29,838
- We--we absolutely agree
on that.

953
01:05:29,882 --> 01:05:31,188
- And fight the war to win it.
- That's right.

954
01:05:31,231 --> 01:05:33,233
- And that means to
defeat Russia

955
01:05:33,277 --> 01:05:35,540
- Or let them fight it to win
it, because they will.

956
01:05:35,583 --> 01:05:36,671
- Well, that's what I'm saying.

957
01:05:36,715 --> 01:05:37,977
Let the Ukrainians
fight themselves.

958
01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:40,197
- Yeah, we agree. You and I can
argue all day.

959
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,938
But I look at you, and I think
you believe

960
01:05:41,981 --> 01:05:43,722
in this country in your way.

961
01:05:43,765 --> 01:05:45,202
I believe in it in mine.
- 100%

962
01:05:45,245 --> 01:05:49,467
- When you step into a country
of such incredible unity,

963
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:52,035
you realize what we've all
been missing.

964
01:05:52,078 --> 01:05:54,559
- You'll never talk politics
with me on this show, will you?

965
01:05:54,602 --> 01:05:55,734
- We--we've all got to
figure out

966
01:05:55,777 --> 01:05:56,996
- Wasn't that bad.

967
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,390
Do you trust me now more than
you did?

968
01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:01,435
- There's a lot of physical
therapy necessary

969
01:06:01,479 --> 01:06:04,221
after a big car accident.

970
01:06:04,264 --> 01:06:05,700
You don't get it all done in
a day.

971
01:06:05,744 --> 01:06:07,833
- Our prayers are with
the innocent,

972
01:06:07,876 --> 01:06:09,530
and I wish you luck in
helping them.

973
01:06:09,574 --> 01:06:11,706
- And the heroes who are
fighting for them.

974
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:14,622
- Next time we'll battle over
Hugo Chávez or something fun.

975
01:06:14,666 --> 01:06:16,015
- That's an interesting
conversation.

976
01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:17,016
- All right.
- All right.

977
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:19,018
- Thank you for being with us.

978
01:06:19,062 --> 01:06:20,802
- Former Speaker of the House,
Fox News contributor

979
01:06:20,846 --> 01:06:22,282
Newt Gingrich is with us.

980
01:06:22,326 --> 01:06:25,242
Your thoughts on the
conversation and more.

981
01:06:25,285 --> 01:06:29,463
- That may have been one of the
most impactful

982
01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:33,337
and amazing interviews of your
entire career.

983
01:06:33,380 --> 01:06:35,904
- I'm going to talk to
Sean Hannity,

984
01:06:35,948 --> 01:06:38,733
to Fox News, MSNBC.

985
01:06:38,777 --> 01:06:41,475
I'm going to go do talks at
presidential libraries.

986
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:42,694
We're going to get this
message out

987
01:06:42,737 --> 01:06:43,912
and help get what Ukraine needs.

988
01:06:43,956 --> 01:06:46,480
- You called and said get the
hell out,

989
01:06:46,524 --> 01:06:48,352
get the F out, whatever.
- Yeah, yeah.

990
01:06:48,395 --> 01:06:50,006
There's going to be
a serious attempt

991
01:06:50,049 --> 01:06:53,226
at a quick decapitation strike
with the Russian paratroopers.

992
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:56,403
- The Ukrainians had something
to say about that, obviously.

993
01:06:56,447 --> 01:06:59,015
- Every fundraiser I've been to,
every event I've been to

994
01:06:59,058 --> 01:07:00,842
for the last several months,

995
01:07:00,886 --> 01:07:02,192
people are up in arms
over Ukraine.

996
01:07:02,235 --> 01:07:04,368
- I mean, when we do
the stories,

997
01:07:04,411 --> 01:07:05,760
the ratings go through the roof.

998
01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:06,979
- Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome

999
01:07:07,023 --> 01:07:08,111
our distinguished panel.

1000
01:07:10,983 --> 01:07:12,289
- It's amazing to see
the Ukrainians

1001
01:07:12,332 --> 01:07:14,117
and the resilience.

1002
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,945
The Ukrainians are fighting and
fighting hard.

1003
01:07:16,989 --> 01:07:19,383
And you think Ukraine can
win this.

1004
01:07:19,426 --> 01:07:23,169
- I'd go further, and, you know,
I wager everything.

1005
01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,258
The Ukrainians are going to win.

1006
01:07:25,302 --> 01:07:27,434
And what we're going to be doing
is saying,

1007
01:07:27,478 --> 01:07:30,263
How many lives did we let
them lose?

1008
01:07:30,307 --> 01:07:32,352
- You know, in Zelensky, this is
a leader

1009
01:07:32,396 --> 01:07:35,486
who is pretty remarkable in
this moment.

1010
01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:40,012
- Part of what makes him so
particularly extraordinary

1011
01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:41,709
is that in that courage, he's
the face

1012
01:07:41,753 --> 01:07:44,451
of so many Ukrainians.

1013
01:07:44,495 --> 01:07:46,584
This is leadership.

1014
01:07:46,627 --> 01:07:48,760
No one on the planet's
been tested

1015
01:07:48,803 --> 01:07:51,067
in leadership like this one
human being.

1016
01:07:51,110 --> 01:07:52,938
- Mr President, what is it...
- Tonight

1017
01:07:52,981 --> 01:07:54,635
a world-exclusive interview.
- What is the situation?

1018
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:56,637
- Thank you so much for talking.

1019
01:07:56,681 --> 01:07:57,986
- Thank you very much.

1020
01:07:58,030 --> 01:08:01,207
- If you do win, will Vladimir
Putin survive?

1021
01:08:04,167 --> 01:08:06,038
- You know, Ronald Reagan
once said,

1022
01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:09,128
I don't know how anyone could
have held this position

1023
01:08:09,172 --> 01:08:11,652
without having had
acting ability.

1024
01:08:11,696 --> 01:08:13,654
And he said, The ability to be
a good actor

1025
01:08:13,698 --> 01:08:15,830
is to be yourself when the
camera comes on.

1026
01:08:17,397 --> 01:08:19,965
When Zelensky got elected, a lot
of people

1027
01:08:20,008 --> 01:08:21,314
made the comparisons to
Ronald Reagan.

1028
01:08:21,358 --> 01:08:23,751
And, He's an actor, and he's
not prepared.

1029
01:08:23,795 --> 01:08:26,624
And yet Zelensky is
just himself,

1030
01:08:26,667 --> 01:08:27,799
when the camera's on, when
it's off.

1031
01:08:27,841 --> 01:08:30,323
He is who he is.

1032
01:08:30,367 --> 01:08:33,979
This moment right now, he
is perfect.

1033
01:08:34,022 --> 01:08:36,154
- The Ukrainian president has
been praised

1034
01:08:36,198 --> 01:08:38,417
as a master of social media.

1035
01:08:38,462 --> 01:08:40,246
- I mean, one thing that's very
important to remember

1036
01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:41,551
is, he is a performer.

1037
01:08:41,595 --> 01:08:43,162
- Social media has allowed him

1038
01:08:43,206 --> 01:08:45,685
to dominate the information war.

1039
01:08:45,729 --> 01:08:47,645
- He has the bully pulpit now.

1040
01:08:47,688 --> 01:08:49,647
People feel comfortable that he
has a vision now.

1041
01:08:51,388 --> 01:08:52,911
- All three of you really
being versed

1042
01:08:52,953 --> 01:08:54,304
in this over time,

1043
01:08:54,346 --> 01:08:56,219
take me back before
the invasion.

1044
01:08:56,261 --> 01:09:00,310
- 1999, I had an opportunity to
do a project in Ukraine,

1045
01:09:00,353 --> 01:09:01,702
and I was in Ukraine until
a month ago,

1046
01:09:01,746 --> 01:09:03,487
two days before the war.

1047
01:09:03,529 --> 01:09:05,618
- I was in 2008 when the
second invasion

1048
01:09:05,662 --> 01:09:07,185
happened in Georgia.

1049
01:09:07,229 --> 01:09:09,580
We got in, and we were lucky we
got out.

1050
01:09:09,622 --> 01:09:12,712
- I was in Iraq in 2007, 2008
during the surge.

1051
01:09:12,756 --> 01:09:14,889
- So I was the main interpreter
for Lech Walesa.

1052
01:09:14,933 --> 01:09:18,328
So I was all over Central and
Eastern Europe.

1053
01:09:18,371 --> 01:09:20,982
Yeah, so I've seen a lot
of stuff.

1054
01:09:21,026 --> 01:09:24,247
And I've seen regression.

1055
01:09:24,290 --> 01:09:25,377
And it breaks my heart.

1056
01:09:25,421 --> 01:09:27,292
I was sent twice...

1057
01:09:27,337 --> 01:09:29,165
- What does the healing
look like

1058
01:09:29,207 --> 01:09:32,429
between Russians and Ukrainians?

1059
01:09:32,471 --> 01:09:35,562
- Unless they kick the
Russians out

1060
01:09:35,606 --> 01:09:37,303
or the Russians take off

1061
01:09:37,346 --> 01:09:40,872
and literally give everything
back to the Ukrainians

1062
01:09:40,915 --> 01:09:45,093
that would be perhaps
the beginning,

1063
01:09:45,136 --> 01:09:48,227
except when you look at the
number of dead civilians

1064
01:09:48,270 --> 01:09:51,055
and children and women and
old people

1065
01:09:51,099 --> 01:09:52,710
that the Russians, they've
been killing.

1066
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:56,888
- Go this way, guys.

1067
01:10:07,681 --> 01:10:11,032
- Thank you very much for
talking with us.

1068
01:10:11,076 --> 01:10:12,904
What is your assessment?

1069
01:10:35,753 --> 01:10:38,625
- Taking Ukraine may come easy
to the overwhelming Russian...

1070
01:10:38,669 --> 01:10:40,236
- Like just come out of
an intelligence

1071
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:41,846
with a Western official.

1072
01:10:41,889 --> 01:10:44,414
Ukraine is in a battle for its
life right now.

1073
01:10:44,457 --> 01:10:45,980
- Ukraine's capital city of Kiev

1074
01:10:46,024 --> 01:10:47,286
might soon fall to
Russian forces.

1075
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:50,289
- Russia's actions
are outrageous.

1076
01:10:50,333 --> 01:10:53,597
Every hour of inaction now is
a threat to the lives

1077
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,076
of Ukrainians.

1078
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,384
Ukraine loses the war, there
will be no Ukraine.

1079
01:10:58,428 --> 01:11:01,257
And when stakes are so high
for us,

1080
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:03,215
of course we will keep fighting.

1081
01:11:03,259 --> 01:11:04,434
Whatever it takes.

1082
01:11:07,741 --> 01:11:09,874
- The people are mobilizing.

1083
01:11:09,917 --> 01:11:11,310
- People signing up to fight.

1084
01:11:11,354 --> 01:11:13,312
People bringing in supplies,

1085
01:11:13,356 --> 01:11:15,314
anything they think that
will help

1086
01:11:15,358 --> 01:11:17,011
the Ukrainian war effort.

1087
01:11:17,055 --> 01:11:19,362
- We never seek to leave.

1088
01:11:19,405 --> 01:11:20,624
This our homes.

1089
01:11:20,667 --> 01:11:23,757
We defend our children,
family,

1090
01:11:23,801 --> 01:11:26,673
our buildings, our city, and
our future,

1091
01:11:26,717 --> 01:11:27,848
future of Ukraine.

1092
01:11:29,372 --> 01:11:30,764
- Can Ukraine outright win
this war?

1093
01:11:30,808 --> 01:11:32,288
- Ukrainian resistance

1094
01:11:32,331 --> 01:11:36,074
is having a huge
battlefield impact.

1095
01:11:36,117 --> 01:11:38,032
- There's a recording
between Ukrainian

1096
01:11:38,076 --> 01:11:39,773
and Russian forces.

1097
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,388
- Snake Island, and appears to
have been

1098
01:11:45,431 --> 01:11:47,825
attacked by a Russian warship.

1099
01:11:54,484 --> 01:11:56,007
- The man behind those words

1100
01:11:56,050 --> 01:11:58,183
was awarded a medal for
his bravery.

1101
01:11:58,226 --> 01:12:00,272
- Now we've seen
impressive gains

1102
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:03,014
by the Ukrainian army.

1103
01:12:03,057 --> 01:12:05,451
- Russia's flagship vessel,
the Moskva.

1104
01:12:05,495 --> 01:12:08,411
- Ukraine says it hit the ship
with cruise missiles

1105
01:12:08,454 --> 01:12:09,803
launched from the coast.

1106
01:12:09,847 --> 01:12:11,370
- President Volodymyr Zelensky

1107
01:12:11,414 --> 01:12:13,329
visited at extreme risk.

1108
01:12:13,372 --> 01:12:15,418
- Tonight a stunning
breakthrough.

1109
01:12:15,461 --> 01:12:17,985
- How are the Ukrainians pulling
this off?

1110
01:12:33,131 --> 01:12:34,785
- Nobody believed in us.

1111
01:12:39,311 --> 01:12:42,053
- Oh, they're going you know,
they will fail.

1112
01:12:42,096 --> 01:12:46,187
And now the whole world is
basically watching.

1113
01:12:47,188 --> 01:12:51,236
- This moment in Ukraine to
represent a human phenomenon.

1114
01:13:00,376 --> 01:13:01,812
Like, everyone who I was calling

1115
01:13:01,855 --> 01:13:03,596
was doing something for
the army.

1116
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,293
It was such a huge network
of volunteers.

1117
01:13:05,337 --> 01:13:08,775
- Ukraine is extremely united
right now

1118
01:13:08,819 --> 01:13:11,387
for so many of us.

1119
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:14,433
And it gives us strength,

1120
01:13:14,477 --> 01:13:16,914
and that's why we are not we are
not afraid,

1121
01:13:16,957 --> 01:13:20,091
because we realize that they
have to kill all of us.

1122
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:27,054
- In Ukraine it's not difficult

1123
01:13:27,098 --> 01:13:31,319
to find a great diversity in
political opinion.

1124
01:13:31,363 --> 01:13:33,452
Just as in the US one can find

1125
01:13:33,496 --> 01:13:36,455
every impassioned
nationalist idea,

1126
01:13:36,499 --> 01:13:40,067
every impassioned humanist idea.

1127
01:13:40,111 --> 01:13:43,897
And yet they've someone found
a complete recognition

1128
01:13:43,941 --> 01:13:47,248
in the interdependence that
allows for independence.

1129
01:13:49,033 --> 01:13:51,514
It's tangible.

1130
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:54,038
- President Zelensky called on
the United States

1131
01:13:54,081 --> 01:13:55,431
to send more weapons.

1132
01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:58,042
- They asked for heavier
weapons faster.

1133
01:13:58,085 --> 01:14:02,438
- The Pentagon has rejected
a surprise offer from Poland

1134
01:14:02,481 --> 01:14:05,397
to fly all of its MiGs to a US
airbase in Germany.

1135
01:14:05,441 --> 01:14:08,922
- Saying it risks setting off
a wider war with Russia.

1136
01:14:08,966 --> 01:14:12,839
- We continue.
We continue fighting.

1137
01:14:12,883 --> 01:14:14,362
We just need support.

1138
01:14:14,406 --> 01:14:19,063
I--I need to say to you, because
you're our friends,

1139
01:14:19,106 --> 01:14:21,239
that we still waiting.

1140
01:14:21,282 --> 01:14:23,415
We still talking every day

1141
01:14:23,459 --> 01:14:25,809
with international war leaders.

1142
01:14:25,852 --> 01:14:29,421
We need some help by
the weapons.

1143
01:14:29,465 --> 01:14:33,425
We still, for example, waiting
this jet

1144
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,601
from Poland.
- Right.

1145
01:14:35,645 --> 01:14:37,081
- Thank you, Sean. Thank you.

1146
01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:39,997
Thank you very much, my friend.

1147
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,347
- The people and government
of Poland

1148
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:44,349
had opened their hearts
and borders

1149
01:14:44,392 --> 01:14:46,873
to some 8 million
Ukrainian refugees

1150
01:14:46,917 --> 01:14:48,527
but found challenges
when seeking

1151
01:14:48,571 --> 01:14:50,181
to provide fighter jets.

1152
01:14:50,224 --> 01:14:53,532
What did happen with the
MiG proposal?

1153
01:14:53,576 --> 01:14:56,100
- We don't want to act
unilaterally.

1154
01:14:56,143 --> 01:14:59,146
Such weapons like the
jet fighters,

1155
01:14:59,190 --> 01:15:01,671
it would require the NATO,

1156
01:15:01,714 --> 01:15:05,544
and our collective decision was
not to go

1157
01:15:05,588 --> 01:15:10,723
farther with our action of
delivering the MiGs.

1158
01:15:10,767 --> 01:15:15,772
- Some countries make the point
that Ukraine

1159
01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:18,514
should only be provided with
defensive weapons

1160
01:15:18,557 --> 01:15:22,518
and we should not receive any
offensive weapons.

1161
01:15:22,561 --> 01:15:26,130
The real point is that
any weapon

1162
01:15:26,173 --> 01:15:29,002
that is being used by
Ukrainian army

1163
01:15:29,046 --> 01:15:32,702
in the territory of Ukraine is
defensive by definition.

1164
01:15:32,745 --> 01:15:35,226
Because we are not using it to
attack anyone.

1165
01:15:35,269 --> 01:15:37,620
We are using it to
defend ourselves.

1166
01:15:37,663 --> 01:15:43,408
We don't have the feeling that
neither Poland

1167
01:15:43,451 --> 01:15:45,584
or the United States are
not willing

1168
01:15:45,628 --> 01:15:48,065
to do something for Ukraine.

1169
01:15:48,108 --> 01:15:51,938
But they do have differences
in understanding

1170
01:15:51,982 --> 01:15:53,897
who will assume
the responsibility

1171
01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:55,463
for making the decision.

1172
01:15:55,507 --> 01:15:59,816
Use the bloody weapons necessary
to win.

1173
01:15:59,859 --> 01:16:01,948
- Ukraine needs weapon supplies.

1174
01:16:01,992 --> 01:16:05,952
We need heavy artillery,
armed vehicles,

1175
01:16:05,996 --> 01:16:09,521
air defense systems, and
combat aircraft,

1176
01:16:09,565 --> 01:16:11,958
anything to repel Russian forces

1177
01:16:12,002 --> 01:16:13,743
and stop their war crimes.

1178
01:16:13,786 --> 01:16:17,398
Arm Ukraine now to
defend freedom.

1179
01:16:17,442 --> 01:16:20,140
- It's an apocalyptic vision.

1180
01:16:20,184 --> 01:16:23,143
- How much more can the
civilians withstand?

1181
01:16:23,187 --> 01:16:26,494
- Accounts of Russian abuses
are widespread.

1182
01:16:26,538 --> 01:16:29,976
- We saw undeniable evidence
of atrocities.

1183
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:32,326
- New fallout and outrage

1184
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:36,330
sparking more calls for a war
crimes investigation.

1185
01:16:36,374 --> 01:16:37,810
- I don't want to live in
a world

1186
01:16:37,854 --> 01:16:41,074
where a gangster with nukes gets
to dictate

1187
01:16:41,118 --> 01:16:42,336
what we have to live under.

1188
01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:43,642
I just don't want to live in
that world.

1189
01:16:43,686 --> 01:16:44,730
And the Ukrainians won't live in
that world.

1190
01:16:53,304 --> 01:16:54,653
It's a real war.
- Mm-hmm.

1191
01:16:54,697 --> 01:16:56,829
- It's in real life.

1192
01:16:56,873 --> 01:16:58,483
- We all thought that Kiev was
going to fall

1193
01:16:58,526 --> 01:17:00,746
in two days, and now here
we are.

1194
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:04,663
- Russia is aware that it's not
winning this war.

1195
01:17:04,707 --> 01:17:07,710
- The new narrative is being
born right now

1196
01:17:07,753 --> 01:17:09,755
about Ukraine,

1197
01:17:09,799 --> 01:17:11,670
this narrative about
very strong,

1198
01:17:11,714 --> 01:17:15,021
brave, courageous country.

1199
01:17:15,065 --> 01:17:17,415
- The recipe of victory

1200
01:17:17,458 --> 01:17:19,765
is Ukrainian stamina

1201
01:17:19,809 --> 01:17:23,639
and Western sanctions
and weapons.

1202
01:17:23,682 --> 01:17:28,078
These are the three elements
that will make us prevail.

1203
01:17:36,347 --> 01:17:38,088
- The Russians, they have
been bloodied.

1204
01:17:38,131 --> 01:17:39,829
- The Russians are taking
a tremendous number

1205
01:17:39,872 --> 01:17:41,569
of casualties,

1206
01:17:41,613 --> 01:17:44,442
probably taken 70,000 or
80,000 casualties.

1207
01:17:44,485 --> 01:17:45,835
- I hate to say this.

1208
01:17:45,878 --> 01:17:47,314
You know, these
Russian soldiers,

1209
01:17:47,358 --> 01:17:49,969
17, 18, 19 years old, right?

1210
01:17:50,013 --> 01:17:51,928
They're just cannon fodder.

1211
01:17:51,971 --> 01:17:55,540
And they're getting blown to
bits by the Ukrainians.

1212
01:17:55,583 --> 01:17:58,456
You've got refrigerator trucks

1213
01:17:58,499 --> 01:18:01,546
and refrigerator train wagons

1214
01:18:01,589 --> 01:18:04,723
full of dead Russian soldiers,

1215
01:18:04,767 --> 01:18:07,465
because Putin does not want
society to see this.

1216
01:18:09,859 --> 01:18:13,166
- Make no mistake, while
I believe they're winning,

1217
01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:15,299
the longer that this war
goes on,

1218
01:18:15,342 --> 01:18:17,214
the more likely it is

1219
01:18:17,257 --> 01:18:20,304
that it will start to fray
and fracture.

1220
01:18:20,347 --> 01:18:23,524
So Mr Zelensky needs to have an
outright win here

1221
01:18:23,568 --> 01:18:24,874
pretty soon.

1222
01:18:33,796 --> 01:18:35,841
- I'm glad to see you,
Mr President.

1223
01:18:35,885 --> 01:18:36,973
How are you holding up?

1224
01:19:14,662 --> 01:19:16,316
- Thank you.
- Thank you, Sean.

1225
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,275
All the best.

1226
01:19:18,318 --> 01:19:20,712
- He looks like he's been awake
since we saw him.

1227
01:19:25,673 --> 01:19:28,067
- Because the Ukrainians have
performed so well,

1228
01:19:28,111 --> 01:19:30,983
because the democratic world
has consolidated

1229
01:19:31,027 --> 01:19:32,680
with regard to sanctions

1230
01:19:32,724 --> 01:19:34,421
and supporting Ukraine
with weapons,

1231
01:19:34,465 --> 01:19:37,468
it is not going to escalate
towards a conventional war

1232
01:19:37,511 --> 01:19:39,687
with NATO

1233
01:19:39,731 --> 01:19:42,516
because we provided the
Ukrainians with planes.

1234
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,518
Since before this war, I've
been talking

1235
01:19:44,562 --> 01:19:46,956
about giving the Ukrainians
weapons to deter Russia.

1236
01:19:46,999 --> 01:19:49,175
We should be able to peer around
the corner

1237
01:19:49,219 --> 01:19:51,351
and see how this war is going
to unfold,

1238
01:19:51,395 --> 01:19:52,918
the fact that we're going to
have to step in

1239
01:19:52,962 --> 01:19:54,311
and provide more.

1240
01:19:54,354 --> 01:19:55,573
But we're going to do it
too late,

1241
01:19:55,616 --> 01:19:56,487
and we're going to miss
opportunities

1242
01:19:56,530 --> 01:19:57,836
to make this a short war.

1243
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,011
We're going to miss
opportunities

1244
01:19:59,055 --> 01:20:02,145
to reduce the human toll
for Ukraine.

1245
01:20:02,188 --> 01:20:03,537
We're going to miss
opportunities

1246
01:20:03,581 --> 01:20:04,625
to really decrease the risk for
the US

1247
01:20:04,669 --> 01:20:07,672
with a long-war scenario.

1248
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:19,423
- One part of the war that
we've gotten

1249
01:20:19,466 --> 01:20:21,381
very little insight into is the
battle for the sky.

1250
01:20:21,425 --> 01:20:23,601
- This rumor of the Ghost
of Kiev.

1251
01:20:23,644 --> 01:20:24,950
- The Ghost of Kiev.

1252
01:20:24,994 --> 01:20:26,691
- The Ghost of Kiev, they
call it.

1253
01:20:27,474 --> 01:20:28,867
- The Russian Air Force has not
been able

1254
01:20:28,911 --> 01:20:30,695
to get air supremacy.

1255
01:20:30,738 --> 01:20:32,871
Can you just talk a little bit
about why that is?

1256
01:20:32,915 --> 01:20:36,222
- Because they have a fear of
our air defense.

1257
01:20:36,266 --> 01:20:40,836
But we need effective tools to
do this efficiently.

1258
01:21:18,134 --> 01:21:19,875
- How do the Russians
get stopped?

1259
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,457
- The conflict will be going on
for some time,

1260
01:21:37,501 --> 01:21:39,895
and we need the weapons flowing,

1261
01:21:39,938 --> 01:21:42,245
and without US assistance,

1262
01:21:42,288 --> 01:21:44,943
that would be close to
not possible.

1263
01:21:44,987 --> 01:21:46,553
We need new fighter jets.

1264
01:22:03,962 --> 01:22:06,617
- That's much more exciting for
him than it is for you.

1265
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:08,140
- Yeah.

1266
01:22:32,251 --> 01:22:35,559
- We just watched your movie.

1267
01:22:35,602 --> 01:22:40,694
The next Top Gun movie should be
made in Ukraine.

1268
01:22:40,738 --> 01:22:42,392
- You know, you put the world
on notice

1269
01:22:42,435 --> 01:22:44,002
that Ukraine, you know,

1270
01:22:44,046 --> 01:22:46,744
isn't fucking laying down
for anything.

1271
01:22:46,787 --> 01:22:48,833
It's a real honor to talk to
you guys.

1272
01:22:48,876 --> 01:22:50,356
- Thank you for support.

1273
01:22:52,793 --> 01:22:54,970
- As this war went on,

1274
01:22:55,013 --> 01:22:57,059
it got more and more difficult

1275
01:22:57,102 --> 01:22:59,365
to keep attention and interest
in it.

1276
01:22:59,409 --> 01:23:01,498
- Other stories we're following
for you...

1277
01:23:01,541 --> 01:23:04,370
- Will Smith clashed with
comedian Chris Rock.

1278
01:23:04,414 --> 01:23:05,981
- There's a time limit.

1279
01:23:06,024 --> 01:23:07,286
- The world watched
Johnny Depp's...

1280
01:23:07,330 --> 01:23:08,679
- And there's an energy limit

1281
01:23:08,722 --> 01:23:11,073
to what people can put on
the horrors

1282
01:23:11,116 --> 01:23:13,727
of something taking place
far away.

1283
01:23:15,773 --> 01:23:17,427
For Sean, it was very important

1284
01:23:17,470 --> 01:23:19,516
to get back to Ukraine...

1285
01:23:23,259 --> 01:23:25,783
Get back to see what's going on

1286
01:23:25,826 --> 01:23:30,266
and experience what it was like
now in June.

1287
01:23:30,309 --> 01:23:32,659
And we knew the important thing
was getting Sean

1288
01:23:32,703 --> 01:23:33,921
and Zelensky back together.

1289
01:23:38,404 --> 01:23:40,972
- Ukraine's president is
accusing Russia now

1290
01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:43,061
of bombing a crowded
shopping mall

1291
01:23:43,105 --> 01:23:43,975
in the eastern part of
the country.

1292
01:23:46,673 --> 01:23:50,416
- The capital, Kiev, once again
in the crosshairs.

1293
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:52,592
- This morning, the most
serious attack

1294
01:23:52,636 --> 01:23:55,726
on Kiev in weeks, two apartment
blocks struck.

1295
01:23:55,769 --> 01:23:58,163
- In residential buildings hit
by rockets,

1296
01:23:58,207 --> 01:24:02,080
the number of civilian
casualties is rising.

1297
01:24:02,124 --> 01:24:03,995
- Is this it?

1298
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:06,215
- Yeah, this is this is it.

1299
01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:26,148
Who's coming?

1300
01:24:35,157 --> 01:24:36,854
Wow.

1301
01:24:52,913 --> 01:24:54,045
This was the living room.

1302
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:58,049
That was a bedroom and restroom.

1303
01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:00,138
- Yeah, this is not structurally
sound anymore,

1304
01:25:00,182 --> 01:25:03,402
is it?
- No.

1305
01:25:03,446 --> 01:25:04,969
- So what are you doing now?

1306
01:25:05,012 --> 01:25:08,146
Just hearing out the things that
can be salvaged?

1307
01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:09,669
- Yeah, so actually, I asked the
military guys

1308
01:25:09,713 --> 01:25:10,975
to help me out.

1309
01:25:11,018 --> 01:25:12,672
They came here.
They clear everything.

1310
01:25:12,716 --> 01:25:16,023
They try to make sure that we
actually can take anything.

1311
01:25:16,067 --> 01:25:18,896
I tried to find, like, really
sensitive stuff,

1312
01:25:18,939 --> 01:25:20,985
like maybe pictures or, like,
some other stuff.

1313
01:25:21,028 --> 01:25:22,291
Yeah, that's it.

1314
01:25:22,334 --> 01:25:23,857
Like, I just wanted to
find something.

1315
01:25:23,901 --> 01:25:26,251
- What can we help you carry?
- Nothing.

1316
01:25:26,295 --> 01:25:27,296
It's done.
- It's done. Okay.

1317
01:25:27,339 --> 01:25:28,514
- It's done.

1318
01:25:28,558 --> 01:25:29,820
We took everything that
we could.

1319
01:25:29,863 --> 01:25:32,214
That's it.

1320
01:25:32,257 --> 01:25:34,172
Welcome to my home.

1321
01:26:17,128 --> 01:26:18,825
- Because you can?

1322
01:26:18,869 --> 01:26:21,219
- Because I can.

1323
01:26:21,263 --> 01:26:23,178
- Thank you.

1324
01:26:31,316 --> 01:26:33,362
- And here too.

1325
01:27:10,442 --> 01:27:12,183
- I'm a little bit late.

1326
01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:14,098
Maybe not little. Sorry. I'm
so sorry.

1327
01:27:14,141 --> 01:27:15,839
- No, you're fine.

1328
01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:21,714
Once the invasion began,

1329
01:27:21,758 --> 01:27:23,847
what was the first moment

1330
01:27:23,890 --> 01:27:27,416
that you were able to check in
with your family?

1331
01:27:29,026 --> 01:27:30,245
- In the night, I think.

1332
01:27:30,288 --> 01:27:32,203
In the night. It was in
the night.

1333
01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:34,031
And I had phone call.

1334
01:27:34,074 --> 01:27:37,426
My wife, I said, Tell children,

1335
01:27:37,469 --> 01:27:40,124
detailing everything.

1336
01:27:40,167 --> 01:27:43,475
What does it mean, the war
with Russia?

1337
01:27:43,519 --> 01:27:46,173
- The day of the invasion, when
you walked in,

1338
01:27:46,217 --> 01:27:48,785
I saw a change in you.

1339
01:27:48,828 --> 01:27:53,485
There was an air of, you were
born for this moment.

1340
01:27:53,529 --> 01:27:55,313
It was so clear

1341
01:27:55,357 --> 01:27:58,360
that we were in a moment of...

1342
01:27:58,403 --> 01:28:01,493
extreme history.

1343
01:28:01,537 --> 01:28:04,757
- Everybody has to be

1344
01:28:04,801 --> 01:28:08,283
has to become older, older at
this moment

1345
01:28:08,326 --> 01:28:11,634
to understand what to do and
what we are doing,

1346
01:28:11,677 --> 01:28:15,812
because we need to live in the
real life,

1347
01:28:15,855 --> 01:28:18,423
not in fairy tale.

1348
01:28:22,122 --> 01:28:24,255
- There it is.

1349
01:28:26,997 --> 01:28:28,520
- So this is the direct
impact crater?

1350
01:28:28,564 --> 01:28:29,478
- Yeah.

1351
01:28:40,489 --> 01:28:44,319
And he's like wise...

1352
01:28:44,362 --> 01:28:47,452
political man.

1353
01:28:47,496 --> 01:28:51,151
So even our children began
because of the war.

1354
01:28:51,195 --> 01:28:53,632
They began to speak, like,
you know,

1355
01:28:53,676 --> 01:28:56,243
to speak not like children.

1356
01:29:00,422 --> 01:29:06,036
He understand why I am not with
him every day.

1357
01:29:06,079 --> 01:29:09,909
He said to me that,
I understand you,

1358
01:29:09,953 --> 01:29:13,130
and I think that in the future,

1359
01:29:13,173 --> 01:29:16,307
maybe we can have something like
it was before the war.

1360
01:29:16,351 --> 01:29:20,050
He understand that it will not
be such way like it was.

1361
01:29:20,093 --> 01:29:25,838
Only now we know what country we
have to build.

1362
01:29:25,882 --> 01:29:28,885
I made a lot of decisions.

1363
01:29:28,928 --> 01:29:31,801
For example...

1364
01:29:35,065 --> 01:29:38,808
And we'll see the result only
after the war.

1365
01:29:38,851 --> 01:29:42,333
From this point, we can't
come back

1366
01:29:42,377 --> 01:29:45,467
to the political,
economical

1367
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:47,251
securities strategy.

1368
01:29:47,294 --> 01:29:50,428
It couldn't be just democracy,

1369
01:29:50,472 --> 01:29:52,648
just liberal attitude
to everything.

1370
01:29:52,691 --> 01:29:54,345
It couldn't be so.

1371
01:29:56,826 --> 01:30:02,309
But we should know that soldiers
with weapon

1372
01:30:02,353 --> 01:30:05,138
will be in the streets.

1373
01:30:05,182 --> 01:30:08,620
You know, how can everywhere be
people with guns?

1374
01:30:08,664 --> 01:30:11,318
Why you are looking what is in
my bag

1375
01:30:11,362 --> 01:30:13,451
when I'm entering shops?

1376
01:30:13,495 --> 01:30:15,235
Now we should do it.

1377
01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:18,151
It's a pity.

1378
01:30:18,195 --> 01:30:21,285
It's not about Ukraine.

1379
01:30:21,328 --> 01:30:22,721
That is the result of all
the wars.

1380
01:30:35,691 --> 01:30:39,085
- Yeah, this kind of stuff is
still shockingly stupid,

1381
01:30:39,129 --> 01:30:43,699
and the idea that one evil
little man

1382
01:30:43,742 --> 01:30:47,485
could be so generating the force
behind it,

1383
01:30:47,529 --> 01:30:50,270
it's just unimaginable

1384
01:30:50,314 --> 01:30:53,360
and has to change somehow for

1385
01:30:53,404 --> 01:30:54,884
I think about it for my kids,

1386
01:30:54,927 --> 01:30:56,363
because everything that
happens here

1387
01:30:56,407 --> 01:30:57,756
is going to affect

1388
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,454
every other place in the
world today.

1389
01:30:59,497 --> 01:31:00,803
And I think that's the reason
that we're all

1390
01:31:00,846 --> 01:31:02,152
so invested in this,

1391
01:31:02,195 --> 01:31:04,589
and because Ukraine
is representing

1392
01:31:04,633 --> 01:31:07,331
the greatest aspirations that we
all share.

1393
01:31:09,899 --> 01:31:11,901
- They will not stop...

1394
01:31:11,944 --> 01:31:13,511
never.

1395
01:31:13,555 --> 01:31:15,948
A lot of people die.

1396
01:31:15,992 --> 01:31:17,472
And...

1397
01:31:17,515 --> 01:31:20,475
so--so it's tragedy,

1398
01:31:20,518 --> 01:31:25,218
but I understood that this
tragedy result of the war.

1399
01:31:25,262 --> 01:31:26,350
I understood it.

1400
01:31:26,393 --> 01:31:28,918
They will destroy everything.

1401
01:31:28,961 --> 01:31:32,530
People want to forget what's
going on in the East.

1402
01:31:32,574 --> 01:31:36,621
Believe me, now they destroyed
everything on the East.

1403
01:31:40,973 --> 01:31:42,627
We need to go and talk

1404
01:31:42,671 --> 01:31:45,848
to the soldiers who are fighting
the fight

1405
01:31:45,891 --> 01:31:47,850
and spend some time on the
front line.

1406
01:31:47,893 --> 01:31:50,461
- Yes, it's possible.
We could help.

1407
01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:52,507
We're very interested to show
the world

1408
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:54,465
what's going on here.

1409
01:31:54,509 --> 01:31:55,858
We are fighting.

1410
01:31:55,901 --> 01:31:57,163
We destroyed a lot of
Russian troops,

1411
01:31:57,207 --> 01:31:59,426
and they destroyed us.

1412
01:31:59,470 --> 01:32:01,385
That is the war between two.

1413
01:32:01,428 --> 01:32:03,692
They are not waiting, and we
are fighting.

1414
01:32:03,735 --> 01:32:05,258
They will dig in.

1415
01:32:05,302 --> 01:32:06,825
So that is the problem.

1416
01:32:06,869 --> 01:32:09,611
We should press on them.

1417
01:32:09,654 --> 01:32:11,569
That's very difficult with such,

1418
01:32:11,613 --> 01:32:14,398
I think, slowly way

1419
01:32:14,441 --> 01:32:17,140
of getting weapons.

1420
01:32:17,183 --> 01:32:20,578
With such speed...

1421
01:32:20,622 --> 01:32:23,320
you can't move forward.

1422
01:32:29,413 --> 01:32:31,807
- Ukraine is intent on pushing
Russian troops

1423
01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:33,591
back to their border with
the help

1424
01:32:33,635 --> 01:32:35,985
of advanced long-range
missile systems

1425
01:32:36,028 --> 01:32:38,509
en route from the United States.

1426
01:32:38,553 --> 01:32:40,729
- The US is sending artillery
rocket systems

1427
01:32:40,772 --> 01:32:42,644
known as HIMARS.

1428
01:32:42,687 --> 01:32:45,734
- The weaponry includes the M142

1429
01:32:45,777 --> 01:32:48,563
high-mobility artillery
rocket system.

1430
01:33:20,464 --> 01:33:22,553
- Once you fire from a position,

1431
01:33:22,597 --> 01:33:24,773
does that immediately mean
you're gonna move positions?

1432
01:34:01,853 --> 01:34:05,857
I think that because of our
proximity now

1433
01:34:05,901 --> 01:34:09,469
to active combat, that's where
our sights should be set.

1434
01:34:34,886 --> 01:34:36,496
- Let's put that in this truck.

1435
01:34:36,540 --> 01:34:38,411
- Yeah, we're gonna do this.

1436
01:34:38,455 --> 01:34:39,804
- Let's do that.
- Okay.

1437
01:34:45,767 --> 01:34:47,943
Okay.

1438
01:34:54,601 --> 01:34:56,342
- Up.

1439
01:34:56,386 --> 01:34:58,693
- Okay.

1440
01:35:01,043 --> 01:35:04,568
So that means we're
getting close.

1441
01:35:16,406 --> 01:35:19,670
During last ten days...

1442
01:35:23,805 --> 01:35:25,284
During last ten days.

1443
01:35:25,328 --> 01:35:28,505
Because shells are going
without stopping.

1444
01:35:28,548 --> 01:35:31,334
No stop, shelling
without stopping,

1445
01:35:31,377 --> 01:35:33,771
any stopping, different kinds.

1446
01:35:33,815 --> 01:35:37,862
And it's, you know...

1447
01:35:37,906 --> 01:35:40,125
that is what we have.

1448
01:35:40,169 --> 01:35:42,127
- Russia is intensifying
its assault

1449
01:35:42,171 --> 01:35:44,129
in the east of Ukraine.

1450
01:35:44,173 --> 01:35:46,958
- And the Ukrainians may have to
decide do they,

1451
01:35:47,002 --> 01:35:48,960
as it were, dig in
in Severodonetsk,

1452
01:35:49,004 --> 01:35:50,875
or do they give up the city now

1453
01:35:50,919 --> 01:35:52,790
and leave while they can?

1454
01:37:28,059 --> 01:37:30,888
- Can you speak to what
importance it was

1455
01:37:30,932 --> 01:37:33,021
to the solidary of this fight

1456
01:37:33,064 --> 01:37:35,632
that the president stayed
in Kiev?

1457
01:38:28,293 --> 01:38:31,818
- These Russians, they killed
a lot of people.

1458
01:38:31,862 --> 01:38:33,908
And it was, for me, shock,

1459
01:38:33,951 --> 01:38:40,044
also for everybody, that they

1460
01:38:41,916 --> 01:38:43,047
- Raped, yeah.

1461
01:38:43,091 --> 01:38:44,875
When they began, when they raped

1462
01:38:44,919 --> 01:38:47,834
some women and some children, it
was fuck

1463
01:38:47,878 --> 01:38:50,663
I can't find, you know,
right words

1464
01:38:50,707 --> 01:38:52,187
and never find.

1465
01:38:52,230 --> 01:38:57,018
I will never find for this,
because it was shock.

1466
01:38:57,061 --> 01:38:59,629
So many children, so many blood.

1467
01:39:03,763 --> 01:39:07,245
- Russia is bombing
kindergarten schools,

1468
01:39:07,289 --> 01:39:09,726
maternity hospitals.

1469
01:39:15,166 --> 01:39:17,864
- They are crimes. They're not
really soldiers.

1470
01:39:17,908 --> 01:39:20,084
They did crime

1471
01:39:20,128 --> 01:39:22,695
against the humanitarian...

1472
01:39:22,739 --> 01:39:25,785
- Right.
- Values.

1473
01:39:25,829 --> 01:39:28,266
- Latvian MPs have
declared Russia

1474
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:30,355
a state sponsor of terrorism,

1475
01:39:30,399 --> 01:39:32,053
saying its invasion of Ukraine

1476
01:39:32,096 --> 01:39:34,011
amounted to genocide.

1477
01:39:34,055 --> 01:39:35,708
- Ukrainian officials saying

1478
01:39:35,752 --> 01:39:39,016
there are 1,000 new war
crimes investigations

1479
01:39:39,060 --> 01:39:43,325
now underway in just one newly
liberated city.

1480
01:39:43,368 --> 01:39:45,675
- For those who've lived
under occupation,

1481
01:39:45,718 --> 01:39:48,025
it's been hell.

1482
01:39:48,069 --> 01:39:49,940
- There is very serious erosion

1483
01:39:49,984 --> 01:39:52,334
of moral values in Russia,

1484
01:39:52,377 --> 01:39:53,988
which is dangerous for the
whole world.

1485
01:40:34,463 --> 01:40:38,162
- History will remember and talk
about Zelensky.

1486
01:40:38,206 --> 01:40:40,295
He went beyond the expectations,

1487
01:40:40,338 --> 01:40:45,039
went beyond what anybody could
have imagined he would do.

1488
01:40:45,082 --> 01:40:48,999
But Russia's not going anywhere.

1489
01:40:49,043 --> 01:40:51,567
This toxic environment

1490
01:40:51,610 --> 01:40:56,267
doesn't go away for many,
many years.

1491
01:40:56,311 --> 01:40:58,704
- What are the challenges in the
short term?

1492
01:40:58,748 --> 01:41:00,793
- To fly, you need two wings.

1493
01:41:00,837 --> 01:41:04,101
Don't give me one wing
and waiting,

1494
01:41:04,145 --> 01:41:05,668
when you will fly?

1495
01:41:05,711 --> 01:41:07,757
I will never fly with one wing.

1496
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,587
I need two, and if you want me
to fly now,

1497
01:41:11,630 --> 01:41:13,806
I need two now.

1498
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:20,030
So we should win now, jointly,
with all the world now.

1499
01:41:23,468 --> 01:41:26,210
- It's already economic warfare,

1500
01:41:26,254 --> 01:41:29,431
sanctions, energy warfare.

1501
01:41:29,474 --> 01:41:33,304
It's refugee flows
destabilizing countries.

1502
01:41:36,264 --> 01:41:39,267
What happens if Russia starts
to fracture,

1503
01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:40,572
Chechens start to break off...

1504
01:41:46,970 --> 01:41:49,233
It's a recipe for the Chinas of
the world

1505
01:41:49,277 --> 01:41:51,409
to make territorial grabs,

1506
01:41:51,453 --> 01:41:55,370
for the Irans of the world to
make territorial grabs.

1507
01:41:55,413 --> 01:41:57,285
- If you want to keep China out
of Taiwan,

1508
01:41:57,328 --> 01:41:58,982
keep Ukraine in the fight.

1509
01:41:59,025 --> 01:42:00,288
Push Russia out,

1510
01:42:00,331 --> 01:42:01,811
and keep that fight from coming
to us,

1511
01:42:01,854 --> 01:42:04,118
'cause if Ukraine loses,
we lose.

1512
01:42:05,467 --> 01:42:08,296
If Ukraine fails, it's not just
a failure for democracy.

1513
01:42:08,339 --> 01:42:11,037
It's a failure for the
global economy,

1514
01:42:11,081 --> 01:42:13,692
because we're seeing how
dependent we all are

1515
01:42:13,736 --> 01:42:15,738
not just on oil and gas,

1516
01:42:15,781 --> 01:42:19,176
but also, global supply chains
are affected.

1517
01:42:19,220 --> 01:42:22,005
So their fight is our fight,

1518
01:42:22,048 --> 01:42:24,050
and the tip of the spear
right now

1519
01:42:24,094 --> 01:42:25,748
is the fight in Ukraine.

1520
01:42:25,791 --> 01:42:28,446
- And if these people

1521
01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:31,449
are ready to kill children,

1522
01:42:31,493 --> 01:42:34,409
are ready to kill civilians,

1523
01:42:34,452 --> 01:42:37,020
why will they stop?

1524
01:42:37,063 --> 01:42:38,195
For what?

1525
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:42,460
- If Ukraine not stop the Russia

1526
01:42:42,504 --> 01:42:44,810
and not win,

1527
01:42:44,854 --> 01:42:48,988
they not a reason to stopping in
the future.

1528
01:42:49,032 --> 01:42:51,208
Next will be Moldova.

1529
01:42:51,252 --> 01:42:54,211
Next will be Lithuania,
Poland.

1530
01:42:54,255 --> 01:42:59,129
It means that it will be war
against NATO.

1531
01:42:59,173 --> 01:43:01,958
And it means that, once again,

1532
01:43:02,001 --> 01:43:04,569
American soldiers

1533
01:43:04,613 --> 01:43:08,182
will be sent for the new war
in Europe.

1534
01:43:34,164 --> 01:43:39,169
I went many cities, Chicago, Los
Angeles, Boston

1535
01:43:39,213 --> 01:43:42,433
what I could with those money
I had,

1536
01:43:42,477 --> 01:43:43,913
not a lot of money,

1537
01:43:43,956 --> 01:43:46,829
to understand, what does it
mean, democracy?

1538
01:43:46,872 --> 01:43:48,787
What does it mean, feeling
this feeling...

1539
01:43:50,354 --> 01:43:52,313
I loved to run.

1540
01:43:52,356 --> 01:43:53,531
Especially in the morning,

1541
01:43:53,575 --> 01:43:55,664
you could understand where
you live.

1542
01:43:55,707 --> 01:44:02,279
I wanted very much to go to
the country

1543
01:44:02,323 --> 01:44:07,458
where freedom to find
this feeling.

1544
01:44:07,502 --> 01:44:11,027
Ukrainians so long time

1545
01:44:11,070 --> 01:44:15,640
wanted to be free.
- Hmm.

1546
01:44:15,684 --> 01:44:19,427
- And Ukrainians didn't
understand--me also.

1547
01:44:19,470 --> 01:44:22,778
We didn't understand that we
have to pay for that.

1548
01:44:27,086 --> 01:44:32,353
And we didn't understand the
high price of it.

1549
01:44:32,396 --> 01:44:36,661
This understanding of freedom
came with a war,

1550
01:44:36,705 --> 01:44:40,970
with the fighting for
this freedom.

1551
01:44:41,013 --> 01:44:44,669
For Americans to understand
what's going on here

1552
01:44:44,713 --> 01:44:47,237
and to understand the price,

1553
01:44:47,281 --> 01:44:51,546
they can feel it only if they
will be on the war,

1554
01:44:51,589 --> 01:44:54,679
and I don't want them to fight
in the war.

1555
01:44:54,723 --> 01:44:58,640
They had already--had already
many different wars,

1556
01:44:58,683 --> 01:45:01,338
many different dead guys
and soldiers

1557
01:45:01,382 --> 01:45:03,253
on different wars.

1558
01:45:03,297 --> 01:45:05,864
If we will not win now,

1559
01:45:05,908 --> 01:45:08,302
Americans will fight

1560
01:45:08,345 --> 01:45:11,305
in some years with this enemy.

1561
01:45:12,567 --> 01:45:17,093
Can tyranny win or not?

1562
01:45:17,136 --> 01:45:20,531
What will be the end of
this war?

1563
01:45:20,575 --> 01:45:26,363
If I fight, I should win,

1564
01:45:26,407 --> 01:45:29,671
because if you are not ready
to win,

1565
01:45:29,714 --> 01:45:31,194
don't fight.

1566
01:45:44,860 --> 01:45:47,297
- One year ago, we
interviewed you,

1567
01:45:47,341 --> 01:45:48,342
and you said what?

1568
01:46:00,484 --> 01:46:02,921
And... yeah, yeah.

1569
01:46:16,631 --> 01:46:19,677
- I hope, I really hope

1570
01:46:19,721 --> 01:46:24,987
that when he's an old man and
I'm an even older one

1571
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:26,641
that I might be sitting with him

1572
01:46:26,684 --> 01:46:30,558
in a peaceful and prosperous
free Kiev

1573
01:46:30,601 --> 01:46:32,951
laughing like a couple of kids

1574
01:46:32,995 --> 01:46:37,434
at what William Saroyan called
the infinite delight

1575
01:46:37,478 --> 01:46:42,352
and mystery of life.

1576
01:46:48,619 --> 01:46:53,363
You have a job as a head of
state to lead...

1577
01:46:55,670 --> 01:47:01,327
To inspire, to communicate,

1578
01:47:01,371 --> 01:47:03,808
to sacrifice...

1579
01:47:05,767 --> 01:47:07,769
It's been said that leadership's

1580
01:47:07,812 --> 01:47:11,512
first responsibility is to
define reality

1581
01:47:11,555 --> 01:47:15,777
in courage in the face of
unspeakable terror.

1582
01:47:18,301 --> 01:47:20,825
Volodymyr Zelensky has
done that.

1583
01:47:24,220 --> 01:47:29,268
And he's done it despite
a next-level problem set.

1584
01:47:29,312 --> 01:47:32,228
He'd done it for his country.

1585
01:47:32,271 --> 01:47:34,883
He'd done it for his children.

1586
01:47:34,926 --> 01:47:38,321
And he'd done it for ours.

1587
01:47:38,364 --> 01:47:43,979
Going to Ukraine, I got filled
with this feeling of unity.

1588
01:47:44,022 --> 01:47:46,460
That's not because I'm closing
my eyes

1589
01:47:46,503 --> 01:47:50,072
to what the cost of it is
right now.

1590
01:47:50,115 --> 01:47:52,161
It was about how they were
paying it

1591
01:47:52,204 --> 01:47:55,338
in common cause.

1592
01:47:55,381 --> 01:47:59,516
The weapons and ammunition are
not being supplied quickly

1593
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,998
or completely, yet Ukrainians
battle on

1594
01:48:03,041 --> 01:48:06,392
with otherworldly courage in
a freedom war

1595
01:48:06,436 --> 01:48:11,310
for sovereignty and the right
to dream.

1596
01:48:11,354 --> 01:48:14,270
And we in the United States,

1597
01:48:14,313 --> 01:48:17,012
if we don't find common cause,

1598
01:48:17,055 --> 01:48:20,537
then we're only going
backwards.

1599
01:48:20,581 --> 01:48:21,886
And we're gonna kill each other.

1600
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:56,710
♪ Free in the knowledge

1601
01:51:56,753 --> 01:52:03,020
♪ That one day this will end

1602
01:52:03,064 --> 01:52:09,723
♪ Free in the knowledge

1603
01:52:09,766 --> 01:52:15,772
♪ That everything is change

1604
01:52:15,816 --> 01:52:19,384
♪ And this

1605
01:52:19,428 --> 01:52:25,434
♪ Was just a bad moment

1606
01:52:25,477 --> 01:52:32,441
♪ We were fumbling around

1607
01:52:32,484 --> 01:52:39,056
♪ But we won't get caught
like that

1608
01:52:45,846 --> 01:52:50,807
♪ We won't get caught like that

1609
01:53:00,469 --> 01:53:04,821
♪ To try to keep control

1610
01:53:06,997 --> 01:53:13,830
♪ When we get together

1611
01:53:13,874 --> 01:53:20,010
♪ Well then who knows

1612
01:53:20,054 --> 01:53:23,361
♪ If this

1613
01:53:23,405 --> 01:53:29,063
♪ Is just a bad moment

1614
01:53:29,106 --> 01:53:34,155
♪ And we are fumbling around

1615
01:53:36,374 --> 01:53:42,903
♪ But we won't get caught
like that

1616
01:53:49,561 --> 01:53:54,523
♪ We won't get caught like that

1617
01:54:11,627 --> 01:54:17,676
♪ I said, It's time that
you deliver

1618
01:54:24,161 --> 01:54:29,950
♪ I talk to the face in
the mirror

1619
01:54:36,478 --> 01:54:42,397
♪ Turns out we're in
this together

1620
01:55:04,201 --> 01:55:06,029
- Mr President, what's the first
thing you're gonna do

1621
01:55:06,073 --> 01:55:07,639
once Ukraine wins this war?